James0586
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I completely agree Hendrix my questioning on the subject was regarding the average Joe.
Fully trained deer dogs
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Leec6.5
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Once the animal crosses the boundary, you can not follow without permission, end of!
A leg shot animal will lay up quickly usually within 100-200m, now the key is not to push the beast over the boundary in the first place!
That animal left overnight and tracked the next day greatly increases the chance of getting the animal with a trained dog.
The law and boundaries are 1 of the reasons i am now retired from tracking!
sikamalc
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I have had BMH dogs for tracking for 20 plus years. Well before the BMH club was formed and the tracking clubs that have sprung up since.
I can never remember seeing any fully trained deer dog ever for sale, but then I never looked. But I agree with Lee, in that it would be thousands to buy a trained dog.
In the tracking game the dog and owner never stop learning, there are many scenarios that can occur with tracking wounded deer. And many different environments to be in if you deer stalk full time. I agree that most do not have the time or maybe the patience to train such dogs. Its an ongoing commitment that never stops, and the dog needs to bond with the owner in my opinion. The dog also needs regular work, as they can get bored easily.
I can never remember seeing any fully trained deer dog ever for sale, but then I never looked. But I agree with Lee, in that it would be thousands to buy a trained dog.
In the tracking game the dog and owner never stop learning, there are many scenarios that can occur with tracking wounded deer. And many different environments to be in if you deer stalk full time. I agree that most do not have the time or maybe the patience to train such dogs. Its an ongoing commitment that never stops, and the dog needs to bond with the owner in my opinion. The dog also needs regular work, as they can get bored easily.
Siggy
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he probably can't because he's a new member...
Siggy
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Probably you want to put some more details - are you a professional needing a dog for an FC FLS contract/job? or are you an amateur that doesn't want to deal with the puppy stage. What breeds are you interested in etc, etc.
It was intended to be a leading question
Any dog does not just stay trained, especially in a task like infrequently tracking an injured deer - unless your a very poor shot managing a very big cull !
Of course many deer dogs work differently in accordance with the owners need. ie Night culling or 12-24 hour old call out etc
There are certainly folks who pay for trained dogs of all types of tasks and its a lot but many of those dogs go to the trainer / handler frequently . I am thinking of one particular dog here .
Of course many deer dogs work differently in accordance with the owners need. ie Night culling or 12-24 hour old call out etc
There are certainly folks who pay for trained dogs of all types of tasks and its a lot but many of those dogs go to the trainer / handler frequently . I am thinking of one particular dog here .
Jayofdeath89
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The trouble with most trained dogs good or bad it’s like any thing you have to find the work for them to keep sharp and interesting in doing for both part the dog and your self and to be honest I think most dogs with a bit of time will do the average work of what most stalker want a dog for to let you know if there’s a deer close and find a shot dead running deer however if I had a deer dog as such if I knew I mess a shot up badly dog or no dog I would get the pros in to deal with the der it deserves that not me with a average dog to push it around and s suffer more than it already has
Brittany boy
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Just look at the price of a trained sheep dog, it’s the same thing, the better the dog the higher the price.
For Sale: - Fully trained Hanoverian dog
3 year old Hanoverian dog looking for new home . Works daily on deer and fully trained will stalk on and off lead , very obedient with a great drive , would ideally suit contractor that can offer him lots of work . Superb nature , house trained and kennel trained genuine reason for sale . Pm...
www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
There you are matey
phillips321
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And each dog is different and reacts differently. By training a dog yourself you learn the dog. And that's invaluable when either stalking or tracking... For example i've learnt that if i dont get to the carcass soon after she does it'll be full of bite marks!
Dan Newcombe
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However - by getting a part / trained dog and working with it you can still get that understanding without the whole process and ultimately potentially ending up with a dog that won’t do the job - you are buying something you can see it’s ability rather than a pup that is entirely down to you.
If I was starting out - I would buy something part trained.
grizzly adams
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Fully trained tracking dog at 9 months old. NO SUCH THING. 
There are a lot of good points being raised here.
I've got a gwp 2 year old. She was 3k as a pup. 2 years of work(most of it being obedience) put into her training and she is still learning and will get experienced whilst doing the job full-time.
Imho it's always best to get a pup and train yourself but I know sometimes personal circumstances may make this difficult.
Every dog is different and training has to be tailored to suit.
Handlers:- i know of a gwp who was owned and trained by a full-time controller. He said the dog wasn't up to the job and parted with it. Another full-time controller took it on and he said it was the best dog he ever had. Raises a few questions
I've got a gwp 2 year old. She was 3k as a pup. 2 years of work(most of it being obedience) put into her training and she is still learning and will get experienced whilst doing the job full-time.
Imho it's always best to get a pup and train yourself but I know sometimes personal circumstances may make this difficult.
Every dog is different and training has to be tailored to suit.
Handlers:- i know of a gwp who was owned and trained by a full-time controller. He said the dog wasn't up to the job and parted with it. Another full-time controller took it on and he said it was the best dog he ever had. Raises a few questions
A different handler can make a difference.
A mate had black terriers . His mate had a border terrier that would not work or show for him . My mate took it on it became the best working and showing border in the UK
It was called Tyson. It covers a lot of bitches.
Handler temperament can play a big roll
deerstalker.308
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I’ve got one like that too!
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It's easy enough to get a dog to track deer by the time it's 12onths old, particularly on blood trail. Sometimes it can be a short run or a long one.
A deer leg shot is a big problem and I have seen three legged deer keep up with the herd. I honestly feel you need either a very fast terrier type who will dance about and keep it in one spot (very hard to do).or a big breed to get a grip and hold the animal. So far my Teckel has been ok but then
I haven't leg shot one.
A deer leg shot is a big problem and I have seen three legged deer keep up with the herd. I honestly feel you need either a very fast terrier type who will dance about and keep it in one spot (very hard to do).or a big breed to get a grip and hold the animal. So far my Teckel has been ok but then
I haven't leg shot one.
Most forget that you must train the dog in front of you , its a dog first and foremost then an individual and when we get past that its a breed .
Some dogs train fast but it doesn't make them better but you may get an extra year or two of work from them . Some train slowly " Sandringham Sidney " for instance but become absolute legends, through an extended training period.
Train the Dog in front of you not the one in the book and remember when breeding we owe it to those who come after us to only breed from the best and I mean by that in order 1. Temperament 2. Heath 3. Achievement
Some dogs train fast but it doesn't make them better but you may get an extra year or two of work from them . Some train slowly " Sandringham Sidney " for instance but become absolute legends, through an extended training period.
Train the Dog in front of you not the one in the book and remember when breeding we owe it to those who come after us to only breed from the best and I mean by that in order 1. Temperament 2. Heath 3. Achievement
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