Game dealers

[Heym SR20]

Was sort of saying it tongue in cheek

But may also highlight the challenges primary producers face. Indeed I would take a nice hauch and loin medallions to your MP and let them enjoy the fruits of your labour.

I give most of my venison to friends, family and neighbours. They all love it.

 

[Polar Lynx]

As a side note. We (Sweden) also have the problem of how to get rid of shot animals but then boar (150 000 yearly). Game dealers are spred out in the country and also not very keen on boar.

So, new for the year (last year) there now new regulations re selling on your own. What is needed is 1. Short course covering general issues and 2. A full day course covering just boar i.e. mainly how to learn about specific issues re health of shot animal.
With these two certificates you free to sell to public. Always tricinella test of course.

Active hunters tend to work in the modern way i.e. through web groups like face book groups. Once they have set up a workable group it all works out rather well. People ask for available meat and hunter offer newly shot animals. Payment through Swish on spot.
The main problem is that people are not used to handle full carasses. They want cut up premier pieces. But then again hunters can charge much more when pieces are well cut out and in labeled vaccum bags.

 

[sauer]

But may also highlight the challenges primary producers face. Indeed I would take a nice hauch and loin medallions to your MP and let them enjoy the fruits of your labour.

I give most of my venison to friends, family and neighbours. They all love it.

Last thing id be doing is giving our local Mps free anything never mind as haunch or loin of my hard work.!

Paul

 

[Bugsy]

We keep seeing and hearing about the deer population problem on tv and radio but I’ve been waiting very patiently on “Landward “ or “Country File “ to address the lack of money p/kg paid to the supplier by the Game Dealer when deer are in abundance and obviously not being culled as one of the main reasons . Surely someone in one of those “country and farming related programmes “has realised that this might be a big factor , or are they simply not interested / don’t know . I know for a fact that large /small estates are shooting and leaving the carcasses where they are because they don’t want to spend time extracting the animal back to the larder , chilling it till the dealer can be bothered to pick it up only to be told it’s been condemned and you now owe the Game dealer £40 for disposal , £20 for hanging rail charge , and £ per/ mile for picking up the carcass . It’s shambolic and disgraceful and one Game dealer in particular in Scotland is making a mockery of venison suppliers probably to his own financial advantage . I , like hundreds of other stalkers are hoping one day a reasonable price will be put on the table and THEN you will see deer numbers reduced , until then I’m only shooting what I really have to to keep Factors happy .

 

[Chris Richardson]

We keep seeing and hearing about the deer population problem on tv and radio but I’ve been waiting very patiently on “Landward “ or “Country File “ to address the lack of money p/kg paid to the supplier by the Game Dealer when deer are in abundance and obviously not being culled as one of the main reasons . Surely someone in one of those “country and farming related programmes “has realised that this might be a big factor , or are they simply not interested / don’t know . I know for a fact that large /small estates are shooting and leaving the carcasses where they are because they don’t want to spend time extracting the animal back to the larder , chilling it till the dealer can be bothered to pick it up only to be told it’s been condemned and you now owe the Game dealer £40 for disposal , £20 for hanging rail charge , and £ per/ mile for picking up the carcass . It’s shambolic and disgraceful and one Game dealer in particular in Scotland is making a mockery of venison suppliers probably to his own financial advantage . I , like hundreds of other stalkers are hoping one day a reasonable price will be put on the table and THEN you will see deer numbers reduced , until then I’m only shooting what I really have to to keep Factors happy .

i think youll be waiting an awful long time .....

 

[Bugsy]

probably

 

[Heym SR20]

We keep seeing and hearing about the deer population problem on tv and radio but I’ve been waiting very patiently on “Landward “ or “Country File “ to address the lack of money p/kg paid to the supplier by the Game Dealer when deer are in abundance and obviously not being culled as one of the main reasons . Surely someone in one of those “country and farming related programmes “has realised that this might be a big factor , or are they simply not interested / don’t know . I know for a fact that large /small estates are shooting and leaving the carcasses where they are because they don’t want to spend time extracting the animal back to the larder , chilling it till the dealer can be bothered to pick it up only to be told it’s been condemned and you now owe the Game dealer £40 for disposal , £20 for hanging rail charge , and £ per/ mile for picking up the carcass . It’s shambolic and disgraceful and one Game dealer in particular in Scotland is making a mockery of venison suppliers probably to his own financial advantage . I , like hundreds of other stalkers are hoping one day a reasonable price will be put on the table and THEN you will see deer numbers reduced , until then I’m only shooting what I really have to to keep Factors happy .

Not helped by the biggest supplier of venison- Forestry and Land Scotland have a monopoly supply agreement with the biggest game dealer, effectively putting a fixed price in the market and allowing the big dealer to undercut all the other game dealers.

In the UK our governments have allowed corporates to dictate terms for far far too long, meaning that small local producers and retailers are shafted every time.

In the past local butchers would have taken in game. But where ate the local butchers these days. There a few, but many now simply buy ready cut meet from the wholesalers.

 

[Heym SR20]

Last thing id be doing is giving our local Mps free anything never mind as haunch or loin of my hard work.!

Paul

An attitude that allows the status quo to remain. We as the shooting community need to engage with our local politicians. They do listen to their electorate - those that can be bothered to speak with them.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Not helped by the biggest supplier of venison- Forestry and Land Scotland have a monopoly supply agreement with the biggest game dealer, effectively putting a fixed price in the market and allowing the big dealer to undercut all the other game dealers.

In the UK our governments have allowed corporates to dictate terms for far far too long, meaning that small local producers and retailers are shafted every time.

In the past local butchers would have taken in game. But where ate the local butchers these days. There a few, but many now simply buy ready cut meet from the wholesalers.

Supermarkets have done for the local small independent butcher.
Our fine establishment in my market town shut up shop 18 months ago. His sons had no interest in taking on the business, long hours for little reward put them off.
Strangely enough, the product which saved him from calling it a day many years ago was selling hot-filled baguettes at lunchtime, the queue would always be out the door. A mixed baguette with pork crackling was my favourite... bit of beef, turkey and pork topped off with crackling

 

[Heym SR20]

Supermarkets have done for the local small independent butcher.
Our fine establishment in my market town shut up shop 18 months ago. His sons had no interest in taking on the business, long hours for little reward put them off.
Strangely enough, the product which saved him from calling it a day many years ago was selling hot-filled baguettes at lunchtime, the queue would always be out the door. A mixed baguette with pork crackling was my favourite... bit of beef, turkey and pork topped off with crackling

And the trouble is that we all like the convenience of Supermarkets. All the new developments going on don’t help either. No provision for local shops within walking distance. All need a car or dilveroo.

 

[Bo Diddley]

And the trouble is that we all like the convenience of Supermarkets. All the new developments going on don’t help either. No provision for local shops within walking distance. All need a car or dilveroo.

Yes, and parking has become a big issue in market towns. Maybe the idea of high street shopping has well and truly sailed in the modern world, dominated more and more by Internet purchases

 

[sauer]

An attitude that allows the status quo to remain. We as the shooting community need to engage with our local politicians. They do listen to their electorate - those that can be bothered to speak with them.

What makes you think I haven't tried with my local politician ?

Maybe thats why my attitude is what it is ....
And listening and something being done or status quo changing are 2 very different things...and one doesnt guarantee the other ...
Best make your own plans as I have done for carcass after they are shot....
If you wait till status quo changes
1. Nothing will get shot
2.by time it does change we will be long time dead
3. Price at a gamedealer hasn't changed
much in 20yrs plus ..if anything its worse and hoping for change soon your wishing your time away ....
Folk need to realise you need to make your own market if your not using carcasses yourself

Paul

 

[Chris Richardson]

What makes you think I haven't tried with my local politician ?

Maybe thats why my attitude is what it is ....
And listening and something being done or status quo changing are 2 very different things...and one doesnt guarantee the other ...
Best make your own plans as I have done for carcass after they are shot....
If you wait till status quo changes
1. Nothing will get shot
2.by time it does change we will be long time dead
3. Price at a gamedealer hasn't changed
much in 20yrs plus ..if anything its worse and hoping for change soon your wishing your time away ....
Folk need to realise you need to make your own market if your not using carcasses yourself

Paul

fully agree , personally i can see a lot more carcasses getting buried in future

 

[HonestJohn]

I think there’s scope for a national venison cooperative run by stalkers, I’ve discussed this with friends on a local level, but we haven’t done anything with it so far, we may.

In fairness and slightly contrary to my earlier post, maybe ‘we’ need to create the outlet channel ourselves - and in a way that’s not financially prohibitive in terms of everyone individually having full working larders and meeting all the regulations.

 

[Freeforester]

I think there’s scope for a national venison cooperative run by stalkers, I’ve discussed this with friends on a local level, but we haven’t done anything with it so far, we may.

In fairness and slightly contrary to my earlier post, maybe ‘we’ need to create the outlet channel ourselves - and in a way that’s not financially prohibitive in terms of everyone individually having full working larders and meeting all the regulations.

You’ll aye find plenty willing to do the shooting, but fewer indeed to do the actual butchering work. You may also find that there are some whose talent behind the rifle seem rather better than when trying to produce a presentable, saleable and attractive product. OTOH, there are some whose talent behind the scope could also be called into question; a carcass with its jacket on can hide a world of mess, waste and wasted time, in a sphere where time converting carcass to prime cuts is precious. To cut a beast into 5/6 bits is easily preferable to doing the harder bit, but it is the latter where the prize has been somewhat hidden.

Not sure what you have in mind, but for sure it’s a widespread issue, and you’ll not be surprised to learn that you’re not the first who has tried to square the circle.

Short of rolling up the sleeves and donning the apron, you may struggle to make a cooperative venture pay its way. As those with skin in the game will likely attest, it’s a bit of a lonely furrow and ploughed over whiles pretty uneven ground. Commitment over time is not so easily come by, especially among those with other matters making demands on their time.

Twenty years at the game will leave an impression!

 

[Freeforester]

fully agree , personally i can see a lot more carcasses getting buried in future

Or left for quasi-natural recycling, as some agencies are already practising.
What a world!

 

[Dave_45]

We keep seeing and hearing about the deer population problem on tv and radio but I’ve been waiting very patiently on “Landward “ or “Country File “ to address the lack of money p/kg paid to the supplier by the Game Dealer when deer are in abundance and obviously not being culled as one of the main reasons . Surely someone in one of those “country and farming related programmes “has realised that this might be a big factor , or are they simply not interested / don’t know . I know for a fact that large /small estates are shooting and leaving the carcasses where they are because they don’t want to spend time extracting the animal back to the larder , chilling it till the dealer can be bothered to pick it up only to be told it’s been condemned and you now owe the Game dealer £40 for disposal , £20 for hanging rail charge , and £ per/ mile for picking up the carcass . It’s shambolic and disgraceful and one Game dealer in particular in Scotland is making a mockery of venison suppliers probably to his own financial advantage . I , like hundreds of other stalkers are hoping one day a reasonable price will be put on the table and THEN you will see deer numbers reduced , until then I’m only shooting what I really have to to keep Factors happy .

That game dealer has absolutely torn the Scottish venison market to bits.

The sooner Ben Rigby gets established and pays a fair price for good quality game , then you will see deer reduced.

He’s after a chill in the borders currently

 

[Chris Richardson]

Or left for quasi-natural recycling, as some agencies are already practising.
What a world!

I’m not saying I like it just a realist, what a waste

 

[stuaff]

I am in a position to harvest a number of fallow, roe and other species annually.
However, my local dealers etc are not keen to take them . What should I do?

A guy i know built a wee larder in his garage got all the correct paperwork now sells it himself , it probably cost a couple of grand to set up most expensive thing was the chiller. Sells the usual stuff you would probably make yourself burgers ,sausages , fillets all the usual stuff. He's just started to advertise dont know how sucessfull he's been but i think it would be an idea. And its only Roe he's selling.

 

[sauer]

You be surprised there is a few of us gone down that route

Paul