Give it to me!

[firebird]

Your problem may be you asked for gold medal fallow and roe at the same time of the year, all within five days with goats and culls thrown in, to keep you occupied.

Yes you guys have a few deer I’m not familiar with. Roe, cwd and muntjacs. All our deer in North America are hard antlered at the same time and can be hunted at the same time. My mistake on the Roe. I could possibly make 2 trips. Like I said it’s easy for me to get to the Uk and flights are reasonable and regular.

 

[TringSaint]

Yes you guys have a few deer I’m not familiar with. Roe, cwd and muntjacs. All our deer in North America are hard antlered at the same time and can be hunted at the same time. My mistake on the Roe. I could possibly make 2 trips. Like I said it’s easy for me to get to the Uk and flights are reasonable and regular.

Well worth reading this then : Deer Distribution Survey - The British Deer Society

Some species are quite localised (cwd and red in south east, sika in Dorset, etc), so pick a location and time of year and go from there, so maybe muntjac and roe bucks in July /Aug and then fallow/sika/red/cwd in Nov/dec.

 

[firebird]

 

[63]

I think I am right in saying that the UK is one of very few, if any, countries in the world where you can realistically hunt Chinese Water Deer and Muntjac. Whilst they aren't the most physically imposing trophies they would have a nice 'unusualness' value hung on a Canadian wall.

At risk of disagreeing with @TringSaint, maybe pick your species and then collectively we can offer options as to the best time of year and area of the UK to achieve them - noting that due to our seasons you probably won't be able to shoot one of everything in hard antler in one trip. (Well, not unless you stay for a while!)

 

[TringSaint]

I think I am right in saying that the UK is one of very few, if any, countries in the world where you can realistically hunt Chinese Water Deer and Muntjac. Whilst they aren't the most physically imposing trophies they would have a nice 'unusualness' value hung on a Canadian wall.

At risk of disagreeing with @TringSaint, maybe pick your species and then collectively we can offer options as to the best time of year and area of the UK to achieve them - noting that due to our seasons you probably won't be able to shoot one of everything in hard antler in one trip. (Well, not unless you stay for a while!)

Yes to both points. Where I live is CWD and muntjac ground zero (they initially escaped from Woburn park iirc, but there have been other releases since) so you would need to travel to china or North Korea to shoot these two, esp CWD if not here.

As for regions /deer, that was kind of what I was suggesting - pick a species and see where they are and work around that, but be aware that some are in isolated pockets, so afaik cwd have not gone west beyond the m40 yet (Oxford), further south than the m25 or north of the a14, so are all in a block in southern eastern England north of London, but they are slowly spreading. Muntjac have spread a lot further, etc.

Might need more than 2 trips to do them all tho!!

 

[63]

@TringSaint the penny has just dropped with your username.

Back in the early 2000's I used to beat and stalk on a mate's farm near Ivinghoe Aston, so I know your area a bit. (I'm not from around there though) I have a good set of Fallow antlers on my wall from there.

There were always persistent stories of a population of feral Wallabies that had escaped from Woburn, but I never saw one

British Deer Species are like Pokemon - gotta get them all

 

[TringSaint]

@TringSaint the penny has just dropped with your username.

Back in the early 2000's I used to beat and stalk on a mate's farm near Ivinghoe Aston, so I know your area a bit. (I'm not from around there though) I have a good set of Fallow antlers on my wall from there.

There were always persistent stories of a population of feral Wallabies that had escaped from Woburn, but I never saw one

British Deer Species are like Pokemon - gotta get them all

Nice - Ivinghoe A is pretty close to me - I’m actually north of Tring just outside of Long Marston (I live in a 5 dwelling hamlet) - no fallow by me but over there they come down off the beacon in the winter so I’m not surprised you have a good set of antlers from one.

As for feral wallabies, etc I’ve not seen any but you hear the odd rumour that they are about.
What’s really odd here is how small manmade barriers separate the deer species.
So Ashridge and to the south but to the east of the a41 and west of the m1 is fallow and muntjac, but hop over the 41 and its roe and muntjac.
Go north of pitstone /ivinghoe and the fallow stop at the canal, so it’s all cwd, muntjac and roe.
In 14 years of stalking I have never seen any fallow on the cwd grounds where I am, nor have I ever seen any roe on the fallow grounds, despite the ‘barriers’ being easy to overcome by was of tunnels and bridges that crisscross them. It’s like they are gangs protecting their ‘manor’!!

 

[25 Sharps]

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Honestly If you want to guarantee a medal UK wouldn't be my first pick, the way the UK operates as a hunting country Is more-so decent heads / memory rather than full blown medals too oversea clients unless Its CWD or muntjac, what is pretty easy to achieve.


Roe deer you could probably get a medal but prime hunting time Is May too July/August, Fallow are either dropped or in velvet that entire time.
Fallow rut the roe are almost 100% lost there antlers as Its december-ish.

UK Is not known for medal fallow at all.

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Fallow rut starts early October, roe will still be in antler with some decent colour to them.

If you have the £££££ to spend UK stalking it is very much centred around medal bucks and stags, often with foreign clients. I know of one stalker locally who will take European out and shoot medal roe for a week, costs are not cheap though- but that’s the point, if he knows he has a market the stalker will know the best heads on the ground and will keep the best heads for those willing and capable of paying for them.

 

[25 Sharps]

Yes you guys have a few deer I’m not familiar with. Roe, cwd and muntjacs. All our deer in North America are hard antlered at the same time and can be hunted at the same time. My mistake on the Roe. I could possibly make 2 trips. Like I said it’s easy for me to get to the Uk and flights are reasonable and regular.

As above, you can take antlered roe and fallow in October…..

 

[Pete6.5]

If you think it's expensive coming here I've been looking at going to Canada to hunt and those prices are telephone numbers.
Where abouts are you in Canada?

 

[firebird]

If you think it's expensive coming here I've been looking at going to Canada to hunt and those prices are telephone numbers.
Where abouts are you in Canada?

Pm sent

 

[Taff]

As above, you can take antlered roe and fallow in October…..

No one doubts that, but any very good medal heads in roe would have generally been culled by then.

 

[25 Sharps]

No one doubts that, but any very good medal heads in roe would have generally been culled by then.

I’m not so sure they would, if you booked and specifically wanted a medal the guide could easily hold one or two back.

Also, some do doubt that, I was making the point after someone posted that the fallow rut is in December so roe will have all shed.

 

[Dunwaters]

Ireland

Quoted

“6 nights accommodation all meals with harvest of 4 animals 2 goats and 2 fallow or 1 fallow and 1 sika
Hunting arriving 23rd with hunting 24/25/26/27/28 of October 2025
€16,500”

You are looking at booking in the peak of the stag season, that’s always going to be expensive but that price would bring a tear to a glass eye.
Accommodation should be around €200 per night. Drinks and meals another €100 or so.
Fallow bucks should run around €700 each, sika around the same, which makes those goats really expensive!
Anyone selling goat stalking will also sell you wild sheep…don’t just walk away, run.
There are lots of reputable guides around, most of them are booked out years in advance by repeat customers.
Just say your #27 post. We don’t have any roe in Ireland and as stated, the fallow are at best mediocre.
We do have decent reds and sika.
Keep looking.

 

[Dunwaters]

Hello, Are there wild goats in Ireland ? North or South ??

Lots of them. They stand around in herds looking at you.

 

[Freeforester]

Is that including flights too?

Includes the plane, surely!

 

[Rhodesianjess]

Nice - Ivinghoe A is pretty close to me - I’m actually north of Tring just outside of Long Marston (I live in a 5 dwelling hamlet) - no fallow by me but over there they come down off the beacon in the winter so I’m not surprised you have a good set of antlers from one.

As for feral wallabies, etc I’ve not seen any but you hear the odd rumour that they are about.
What’s really odd here is how small manmade barriers separate the deer species.
So Ashridge and to the south but to the east of the a41 and west of the m1 is fallow and muntjac, but hop over the 41 and its roe and muntjac.
Go north of pitstone /ivinghoe and the fallow stop at the canal, so it’s all cwd, muntjac and roe.
In 14 years of stalking I have never seen any fallow on the cwd grounds where I am, nor have I ever seen any roe on the fallow grounds, despite the ‘barriers’ being easy to overcome by was of tunnels and bridges that crisscross them. It’s like they are gangs protecting their ‘manor’!!

I have a friend with a fair amount of ground your way. Putnam is central to it, I shoot 2/3 times a year there as his guest. Certainly roe on his bit plus cwd and muntjac in high numbers. If it's any help to you location wise, his ground runs up to the dual carriageway behind the Arla milk place. Here's hoping they multiply and filter your way.

 

[TringSaint]

I have a friend with a fair amount of ground your way. Putnam is central to it, I shoot 2/3 times a year there as his guest. Certainly roe on his bit plus cwd and muntjac in high numbers. If it's any help to you location wise, his ground runs up to the dual carriageway behind the Arla milk place. Here's hoping they multiply and filter your way.

Ahh, ok. That’s interesting.
I used to shoot in college farm which is next to Arla many moons ago - before I got my fac, so was only after bunnies, crows and the like. I did see roe there but wasn’t targeting them at that time.

That land is all earmarked for development I think - pretty much everything from the a41 dual carriageway to the canal going from arla into Aylesbury!
I am c2miles from that as the crow flies but all of my land is further north towards MK so unaffected by development so far!!

In terms of numbers, not far from me is Mentmore Towers which is an old Rothschild manor but now in private-ish ownership. The ‘owner’ is a chap called Simon Halabi who is seemingly bankrupt but has retained the property on account of his son being buried there. Anyhow, the house and grounds are basically abandoned and the park occasionally has sheep grazing it, but the 18 hole golf course is basically now a deer sanctuary as it too is caught in the midst of a long running legal battle, so no one does anything there apart from maintain the greens and the bunkers!

So this whole site, which is c500ac is now the centre of the local cwd and muntjac breeding grounds and each year more and more push out.

All the surrounding farms are owned and managed by one family who have a pretty big pheasant shoot and although I have seen highseats up and have heard stories of them shooting 40-50 cwd in a single outing and over 270 in one season from c6000+ ac, they don’t seem to dent the numbers much as I regularly see 6-10 deer grazing in multiple fields of theirs simultaneously!

Would be nice to shoot it, as I could literally hop over my back fence from my paddocks into their fields, but it’s a closed shop afaik and the keeper doesn’t let anyone on.

 

[An Sionnach]

The truth lol

So I’m Canadian and most international hunts advertised on the market to North Americans are aimed at the Americans.

I just reached out to a fellow in Ireland that quoted me $16500 euros for 2 fallow deer and a couple of goats !!!!

Then I nicely told him that was out of my budget and the opposite end of the $ spectrum to things I have read on here in the “stalking available” forum.

He responded telling me not 1 acre of England was free range hunting and those prices are for ‘shooting’ and reflected 10 years of over production high fenced estates….

So tell me the truth. I’d like to go stalking in England for free range deer!!

Would love to know the “outfitter”!!

 

[sikamalc]

For that sort of money I could give you two medal Fallow bucks on a private park, plus a further week on Chinese Water deer and Muntjac, with accommodation and it wouldnt even come half way to that rip off amount.