Gun Cabinet Heater: Testing a Cheaper Alternative

MoggyM

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Saw a tip for alternate gun cabinet heater. A reptile vivarium heater. I thought, best to spend the money on the action end not expensive heater.

Ordered two and going to give it a try.

 
I'd be really interested to hear peoples opinions on this.

I keep meaning to buy some silica gel to put in the cabinets, but not comfortable warming above the ambient temp of the house.

Just what causes condensation ?
 
Temperature differential - easiest example, single pane glass window; warm, moist air inside / cold outside = steamy windows....

aaahhhh, takes me back to my youth:norty:

Anyway, a good thread here: Moisture gun cabinet
 
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Vivarium Mat is idea as it can be stuck with Velcro to the rear (bottom) of cabinet and creates a column of warm recirculating air in the cabinet

I have used them in another house where a cabinet was in a area where condensation could form

The better ones have thermal cut out for over heat
 
I have used reptile mats in my gun cabinets for several years. My cabinets are bolted to an outside wall inside a cupboard. I had noticed that the temperature inside the cupboard and cabinets was lower than inside the house and varied a little depending on the season. I also found some rust on the barrel of a shotgun even though I always store my guns oiled. Since installing the pads the temperature inside the cabinets stays at a constant 21 C and 55% humidity ( according to my cheapo gauge ) and no sign of rust.
 
Small hole drilled. Power in, ethernet out (keeps my NAS more secure). Several watts dissipated)

Just warming up your cabinet maybe even makes it worse, turning it into a steamy box. Without either ventilation, (unlikely) or dehumidification, the moisture is going nowhere. Increase the temperature a little = lower relative humidity, but higher absolute humidity. At the end of the day, if you put things into a sealed cabinet, never mind if they are a bit damp too, it seems to me that moisture has nowhere to go. Unless it is actively removed. Either by ventilation (tricky to arrange this in a gun cabinet), or by some other method.

Turn off the heater (power cut, going away, etc) and now you have a cabinet filled with fuggy warm air, cooling down. Guess what is then going to happen, that water vapour is going to condense out onto something. This will happen every day and night as the temperature cycles over the rhythm of the day.

It gets worse:

Go out with a gun, it's chilly outside. No problem. Now return with cold gun, thinking that the right thing to do is to put it straight into your nice warm sealed cabinet. Actually not, possibly the worst thing you could do.

Cold material, warm moist air (OK the "relative" humidity may read low, but the warmer the air the higher the absolute level of moisture that it can hold).

Result: possible condensation. Just as say your glasses steam up when you've been outside in cold weather then return indoors.

Not what you are supposed to do, but maybe warm up your gun on top of a radiator before it goes back into the box.

Or if you are e.g. keen on photography, and like to use your equipment outdoors in cold weather, you may soon learn that the absolute worst thing that you can do is to then bring it into a warm area. Seal it inside a plastic bag, anything really, then let it slowly come up to temperature before opening it.

The coldest air is the driest air. As in say freeze-dried peas. If anything perhaps we should be looking into refrigerating our cabinets (this is not a serious suggestion).

Either put in some active dehumidification, as simple as a big bag of silica gel, regularly rotated, or a small dehumidifier. Or cabinet manufacturers should take note, and come up with a secure way of maintaining the atmosphere inside the cabinet at a safe humidity level, whilst consuming the minimum of power.

My opinion is that simply putting in a heater, be it something designed for keeping reptiles warm, or germinating plants, or just say a plain lightbulb (much more useful I think), is not addressing the root of the problem, and potentially making it worse. Which is that a decent gun cabinet is pretty much a sealed box. Unless you have some mitigation in place, the humidity inside will basically build up to 100%. Opening the door regularly and wafting in drier outside air is one mitigation. By which I do not mean moist warm centrally heated stuff, but, you know, opening a window and airing the room (and cabinet) with say a fan heater set on cold. Maybe turn on the heater for a few minutes at the end of the process.

Using a desiccant or dehumidifier is another.

Designing a secure gun cabinet with natural ventilation even better, but I've never seen such a thing. A well designed gun room or armoury can be superb, but how many of us can do that ?
 
Drill a hole,seal with silicon after you run an elec wire inside and hang a light globe wattage of choice in there,its enough to keep newly hatched chickens alive and warm.
 
All interesting stuff. I also have bags of silica gel in my cabinets which are rotated and oven dried regularly. My rifles/shotguns are allowed come up close to room temperature and then wiped before being put away. I'm in my cabinets very regularly which causes air movement and exchange. Works for me anyway. Would love a gun room but hey ho....
 
I have been using the ones from Bushwear for at least 5 years now, they are great as we live in a damp 500 year old cottage, I think they are called Lockdown dehumidifiers
 
1. Make sure your rifle/gun is absolutely dry when you get home. If this means leaving it out in the nice warm living room for an hour or so, then do that so it's nice and dry and at room temperature. Cleaned if necessary. Of course that's okay looking at the conditions on your certificate - part of the cleaning process but obviously consider safety. Sitting beside it with a nice malt does the trick but if the son and heir is having his 16th birthday there, or the 18 year old daughter is bringing around her latest boyfriend to meet you, maybe miss this bit out for once.

2. Turn the heating on you tight bu**ers. It is the difference in temperatures that produces moisture. Be nice and toasty.

3. Should be okay, but if it does get a bit rusty, then you really need to go down to your local RFD and buy a bigger and better gun. It's obligatory.

Anyway, more seriously, the problem with those crystal packets, silica gel and the like is that they do collect the moisture, but I worry that the moisture is still there in the cabinet and that's also where your guns are....
 
Put simply the water is trapped inside the crystals, absorbed. When they become saturated the drying capacity is diminished.
Chuck it in the microwave for 5 or 6 mins and the water steams out of the crystals and its ready to start absorbing again. You still need to dry the rifle and leave it outside the cabinet until it equalises with the ambient (room) temperature.

I like the idea of sitting beside it with a nice, single cast, malt :)
 
I have the same problem, cabinet is near the bathroom too so I think steamy air finds it way in as have had several rust spots appear on shotgun barrels since resiting the cabinet.

I haven't found the Napier sachets to work, or silica sachets, heat could work, but surely the post above is right, you're just creating warm moist air if there's no outlet for it?
 
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