Halal Venison

[Jax]

This has been mentioned before, but in a different context. I'm not looking to cause a stir or heated debate.

I'm somewhat dubious about bringing this up and will tip toe around some aspects, but I'm genuinely interested to know if and how an ethically stalked wild deer can be Halal.

Two landowners have asked me about this now, and in my ignorance, and their's to some degree, I politely declined their suggestions and explained what is generally referred to as best practice.

I've been trying to research this. I think I've managed to establish that it is halal to hunt deer with a rifle without the need to cut the throat provided that the deer is free to and capable of running away (adult) and that the bullet causes the deer to expire due to blood loss. I think a certain prophets name also needs to be mentioned before pulling the trigger.

What I can't establish is that is it halal for a non-muslim stalker to harvest deer and still call it halal or does the stalker need to be muslim? Could a non-muslim stalker have a muslim observer present and the meat be halal?

 

[James0586]

Why don’t you contact the halal food authority, I’m sure they could give you all the information that you need?

 

[Ravelian]

Out of general interest, I'd be curious to learn more on this. Also, what about kosher vensison (if such a thing exists?). Though agree, it'd probably be worth getting info direct from the authority.

 

[TomT3]

Hmmm

In my ignorance I thought the animal had to be slit across the neck with a knife and then bled too death. I cant see how a 100gr bullet to the heart is Halal. Probably best to do as James sais or find a Muslim to ask.

 

[RM100]

One of my hunting friends is Muslim. From him, I have learnt that the deer needs to show some minimal signs of life, before it can be halal-ed.

Translation: he often turns up and puts un-halal deer in my freezer!

 

[TomT3]

Always seems pretty barbaric to me, especially if the animal isn’t stunned first, il leave that there as I don’t want to offend anyone.

 

[VSS]

I think there was a thread on here a while back on the subject, and some people provided some very useful and unbiased information. However, iirc, some other people got a bit hot under the collar about it, and the conversation deteriorated.

 

[TomT3]

At the end of the day all religions have there own ways of doing things be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish ,Sikh etc the only time the problems arise is when one starts enforcing there views on the other.

 

[VSS]

Hmmm

In my ignorance I thought the animal had to be slit across the neck with a knife and then bled too death. I cant see how a 100gr bullet to the heart is Halal. Probably best to do as James sais or find a Muslim to ask.

In my ignorance, I thought that the animal had to be killed by a non-stun method, and bleed out. A 100gr bullet to the the heart is exactly that.
I also believe that the animal has to be healthy at the time of death, so our pre-shot visual checks would satisfy that requirement.
Probably it's also a requirement to say some religious words as you pull the trigger, but I don't know what they are. Personally, I always pray that I'll hit what I'm shooting at, but I'm not sure if that sort of prayer would suffice.

 

[Hereford]

In my ignorance, I thought that the animal had to be killed by a non-stun method, and bleed out. A 100gr bullet to the the heart is exactly that.
I also believe that the animal has to be healthy at the time of death, so our pre-shot visual checks would satisfy that requirement.
Probably it's also a requirement to say some religious words as you pull the trigger, but I don't know what they are. Personally, I always pray that I'll hit what I'm shooting at, but I'm not sure if that sort of prayer would suffice.

Stunning prior to death is religiously acceptable to the majority of Muslims in the UK; Halal literally means ‘permissible’, but the fundamental I can see is that a Muslim should perform the slaughter to a healthy animal, in the ritual manner.
I believe that the Jewish ritual slaughter (Shechita) specifically prohibits any form of stunning.
Either way, hold tight!

 

[paul dillon]

I was speaking to a friend of mine of Muslim decent and he Shoots occasionally over here and with relations in Canada he says before you pull the trigger you should say a prayer to what ever God you worship and if the animal is still alive when you arrive at the shot site you must cover its eyes say another prayer and cut its throat prayer cas be as simple as go by the grace of God

 

[Sampo]

Curiosity got me to google and it appears that Halal Venison is available although I am not entirely convinced if game meat can be halal. Farmed deer could be, although I wouldn't be up for causing unnecessary pain/ suffering to the animal on basis of religion.

Venison – Halal Exotic Meats

halalexoticmeats.co.uk

 

[Gsd99]

Yes hunted animals can be Halal, there are 5 tests that should be met.
In laymans terms:
Sufficient calibre
Must be done intentionally and morally
Must be a muslim hunter
Must recite Allahs name/prayer
Must take all measures to get to the animal if still alive and then cut the four arteries as per normal Halal slaughter

Have taken part in several halal slaughters of sheep for meat, neither anything particularly good or bad to say about it. It is done with good intentions if done correctly, its their culture and is no different to the way that some Africans hunt the bush or tribesman in the Amazon hunt.

Josh

 

[jon2]

This might help answer your question:-

 

[VSS]

Stunning prior to death is religiously acceptable to the majority of Muslims in the UK; Halal literally means ‘permissible’, but the fundamental I can see is that a Muslim should perform the slaughter to a healthy animal, in the ritual manner.
I believe that the Jewish ritual slaughter (Shechita) specifically prohibits any form of stunning.
Either way, hold tight!

I think that stunning is only religiously acceptable to Muslims if it's a recoverable stun. Unfortunately, the more devout Muslims want proof that the stunning method used in abattoirs is recoverable, but UK law forbids this from being demonstrated to them.
It's all to do with the issue of the animal being healthy at the time of death, I believe. Their argument being that if the animal has been stunned in such a way that it could not recover (if allowed to do so) then it's clearly not healthy. On the other hand, if the animal had simply been rendered unconscious, and could, if not killed while unconscious, recover, then it would be healthy at the time of death.

 

[Tim.243]

Yes hunted animals can be Halal, there are 5 tests that should be met.
In laymans terms:
Sufficient calibre
Must be done intentionally and morally
Must be a muslim hunter
Must recite Allahs name/prayer
Must take all measures to get to the animal if still alive and then cut the four arteries as per normal Halal slaughter

Have taken part in several halal slaughters of sheep for meat, neither anything particularly good or bad to say about it. It is done with good intentions if done correctly, its their culture and is no different to the way that some Africans hunt the bush or tribesman in the Amazon hunt.

Josh

Good answer.



Tim.243

 

[Stringer]

This might help answer your question:-

I think the Muslim guy in this was on here at one time.

 

[paul o']

Interesting post this one , My Brother was a 1st cutter for a Butcher Dewhurst before they shut all there shops he is a None practicing Catlic like me. When looking for work he found Employment with a kosher butcher in Westcliff called Spec's ( 1970's he and the other Italian Butcher had to hide every Saturday when the Rabbi came in to collect his Kosher prepared meat ?? The only thing kosher about there meat was the name above the door and the cash in the till ??? .

 

[Klenchblaize]

Yes hunted animals can be Halal, there are 5 tests that should be met.
In laymans terms:
Sufficient calibre
Must be done intentionally and morally
Must be a muslim hunter
Must recite Allahs name/prayer
Must take all measures to get to the animal if still alive and then cut the four arteries as per normal Halal slaughter

Have taken part in several halal slaughters of sheep for meat, neither anything particularly good or bad to say about it. It is done with good intentions if done correctly, its their culture and is no different to the way that some Africans hunt the bush or tribesman in the Amazon hunt.

Josh

Must shoot in the neck?

Job done!

K

 

[bogtrotter]

Hunting is permitted in Islam but it must be for food no hunting for sport is allowed if the animal is killed by a sharp
Instrument it can be classed as halal arrow,knife,spear, bullet are all considered as sharp instruments something
shot with say a catapult would not be and would need to have its throat cut before it expired.
Domestic animals can't be classed as halal if shot ,to be classed as halal only wild animals that can run or fly away can be
shot.
The name of Allah must be invoked as the rifle or gun is discharged