Halal Venison

[Kjf]

I shot a Roe Buck for a Muslim Family last year, and to be fair i was taking back in a good way of it all.

The reason for this was they were having a big family BBQ type event, to celebrate the graduation of their daughter, finishing a uni Course, to become a Dentist.

I meet with the dad, he gave me an English speaking prayer to say, well i bleed the animal, i explained how it would be shot, and he had nothing but total Respect for the Animal.

He must of said a 100 times that it must not suffer and it must not be wasted.

He wanted to pay me for it which i declined and asked him to donate the money to a charity, which he did.

When he picked it up the family all came and prayed over the carcass before taking it away.

think what you want, but i would happily do it again for a family that showed our beautiful sport the respect it deserved

I've done the same for a friend of mine

Just before I take the shot he told me to say" allah bismalah" excuse the wrong spelling

And make sure it's properly bled,

He discussed this with his Mullah and he ok'd it

He's like us , ethically sourced clean meat that is shown respect at death

Kjf

 

[bogtrotter]

I do wonder how many have used a knife to finish off a beast that is still showing signs of life,I know I have !

 

[Kjf]

Researched, there you go, no different to what we normally do, except to be Halal it must be shot by a muslim. “Bismillah” means “In the name of God”, usually spoken before undertaking anything. Injuring an animal that causes suffering is not permissible.

1) If a person hunts an animal using a bow and arrow or a rifle, there are four essential things for the animal to be considered Halaal.
a) To recite Bismillah before or at the time of releasing the arrow or bullet.
b) The death of the animal was due to the wound caused to the animal and not due to the impact or drowning.
c) To pursue the animal once it is shot.
d) To slaughter the animal if there are traces of life in it.

If a person recites Bismillah and shoots the animal, immediately thereafter, he pursues the animal. If he retrieves it after it has already died, there is no need to slaughter it. The meat will be Halaal to consume and to give to others.
However, if he does not pursue the animal immediately or does not slaughter the animal after finding it alive, the meat will be Haraam and impermissible to give to others.

(Hidayah, vol.4, pg.510, Shirka)[1] (Hidayah, vol.4, pg.505, Shirka)[2]
(Ad Durrul Mukhtaar, vol.6, pg.468, HM Saaeed)[3]

Hence, it is absolutely necessary to search for the animal after it is shot and to slaughter it. Not slaughtering the animal after finding it alive will render the animal Harām.
The bleeding caused by the bullet or any other sharp object will only suffice in the case when the animal was pursued and found lifeless.

2) It will be permissible to hunt Halāl birds (which cannot be caught) using a shotgun as long as the above four conditions are met.

Just read the above ,

This is what my mate asked me to do

Kjf

 

[awmc]

Is McDonalds/ a BigMac Halal?

 

[ferretmanabu]

Is McDonalds/ a BigMac Halal?

Some of them are.

 

[McKenzie]

KFC is

 

[awmc]

Some of them are.

Some of them are.

Great thanks
It’d get me out of a bind if you could let me know if one in the south west
Cheers

 

[MW73]

Is McDonalds/ a BigMac Halal?

Just going on from your question, most meats in supermarkets are halal, most won't be marked whereas others have a halal section, I totally disagree with this but that's my perogative.

I have a friend that works as a supervisor in one of the main supermarkets, I asked him about halal certified meat in his store, he said that the only way to tell was to look at a product code on the packet, unless you know what you're looking for you wouldn't know. This type of practice annoys me as it takes away my choice as to whether I want to eat halal meat or not, again I'm not starting a debate.

 

[RM100]

Having spent more than several years guiding clients on hunts throughout the UK, I have encountered my fair share of muslim hunters, every single one of them asked me at one time or another if they could wound the animal and then rush forth with a knife to despatch it in the halal way. I am in no doubt that many, if not all muslim hunters will do this regularly given the opportunity. I cant abide this behaviour and no longer take out muslims because I know what they really want to achieve and cannot be a part of sanctioning it by giving them the benefit of my knowledge.

As I mentioned earlier, I regularly go out with a Muslim friend.

He always shoots to kill, but tries to run up to the animal to discern any sign of life So he can halal it. I have never noticed him ’shoot to injure’. He manages to halal about 1 out of 3 deer he shoots (I get some of the non-halal ones, among other friends).

He is a part of a deer as well as a pheasant syndicate; no-one in the deer syndicate has had any concerns.

Perhaps, there are others who have shot to intentionally injure; but not him.

I hope it clarifies.

 

[bogtrotter]

As I mentioned earlier, I regularly go out with a Muslim friend.

He always shoots to kill, but tries to run up to the animal to discern any sign of life So he can halal it. I have never noticed him ’shoot to injure’. He manages to halal about 1 out of 3 deer he shoots (I get some of the non-halal ones, among other friends).

He is a part of a deer as well as a pheasant syndicate; no-one in the deer syndicate has had any concerns.

Perhaps, there are others who have shot to intentionally injure; but not him.

I hope it clarifies.

Yes but if it dies from the shot it can be classed halal but if there is still signs of life he must perform the ritual

 

[RM100]

Yes but if it dies from the shot it can be classed halal but if there is still signs of life he must perform the ritual

He doesn’t think that’s allowed. He would give that away.

For pheasants, there are some peculiar rules about dogs retrieving, I don’t really understand them. We are in the same syndicate; he manages to halal about 5-6 birds in the whole season. His brace gets passed on.

 

[Loki]

Hi

#51 - dogs are considered 'unclean' therefore cannot touch anything to be consumed.
If following the guidance not even allowed within the curtilage of the dwelling (courtyard/gardens excepted).

L

 

[fallow me]

i find it hard to believe that most meat in supermarkets is Halal, Kosher giving that over 1 billion farmed animals are killed in the uk every year and that a rough estimate that there are 3.5 million muslims, Jewish in the uk, if this is the case there are some serious questions to be asked that we are pandering to a minority, i for one believe an animal for the food market ,no matter what it is should be dispatched humanly and as quickly as possible, I can't imagine with over 900 million chickens killed in the uk last year ,that a prayer is going to be said for every one of them individually,Complete horse$h!t, keep religion out of the food chain

 

[MW73]

i find it hard to believe that most meat in supermarkets is Halal, Kosher giving that over 1 billion farmed animals are killed in the uk every year and that a rough estimate that there are 3.5 million muslims, Jewish in the uk, if this is the case there are some serious questions to be asked that we are pandering to a minority, i for one believe an animal for the food market ,no matter what it is should be dispatched humanly and as quickly as possible, I can't imagine with over 900 million chickens killed in the uk last year ,that a prayer is going to be said for every one of them individually,Complete horse$h!t, keep religion out of the food chain

Totally agree with this statement. Unfortunately a few that have replied in this thread have said that they don't want to stir up any negative feelings, but I think as soon as religion is introduced into a debate, negative feelings will arise. Unfortunately we are pandering to a minority but as this has been happening for a good while now there will be no possibility of reversing the situation, this isn't singling out Muslims or Jews respectively, but any minority group.

Odd how a thread about killing an animal should have caveats in place before it is killed and consumed? I was taught from a young age that if you are to kill any animal, it should be swift and painless, not wound it so that I can run over and slit its throat to please or satisfy a religion.

 

[VSS]

i find it hard to believe that most meat in supermarkets is Halal, Kosher giving that over 1 billion farmed animals are killed in the uk every year and that a rough estimate that there are 3.5 million muslims, Jewish in the uk, if this is the case there are some serious questions to be asked that we are pandering to a minority, i for one believe an animal for the food market ,no matter what it is should be dispatched humanly and as quickly as possible, I can't imagine with over 900 million chickens killed in the uk last year ,that a prayer is going to be said for every one of them individually,Complete horse$h!t, keep religion out of the food chain

For a start, Muslims buy around 60% of all the sheepmeat produced in the UK, if I remember correctly. Without that market the industry would be knackered. So it's hardly pandering to a minority.
Secondly, for most Muslims, the conventional way in which sheep are killed in the UK is acceptable. The only additional requirement needed to be able to label the product "halal" is the prayer, so it's hardly compromising animal welfare.
Thirdly, I used to have a very negative opinion of halal slaughter, largely because most of my knowledge came from the same sort of prejudiced and ill-informed sources as your own. Having subsequently gone into the matter in a bit more depth, I have come to realise that the Muslims have an exceptionally high animal welfare requirement at the time of slaughter, which I wholeheartedly agree with and respect.
No doubt there are a few bad apples in every barrel (including our own), but I treat as I find.

 

[Stalker62]

Thank God I am an agnostic - which is just a cautious atheist.

All religion aside. It (for me) is about animal welfare and nothing should compromise that. Nothing.

 

[.270]

If I ever saw someone shooting an animal to Deliberately wound it, so they could run in and cut its throat. I would loose my Certs and most Likely my Freedom.

 

[sikamalc]

I have had quite a number of stalkers who I have hunted with and are Muslim. On a couple of occasions they have asked to use their knife to bleed the beast, but as a rule they never ask or say too much about the halal. All of them have been safe, respectful and polite people, most have returned to stalk with me several times.

In no circumstances has any of them even mentioned the intentional wounding of a deer so they may halal it before it expires. I for one would not allow this under any circumstances and they would not be welcome back and politely told that I am fully booked.

 

[bogtrotter]

I have had quite a number of stalkers who I have hunted with and are Muslim. On a couple of occasions they have asked to use their knife to bleed the beast, but as a rule they never ask or say too much about the halal. All of them have been safe, respectful and polite people, most have returned to stalk with me several times.

In no circumstances has any of them even mentioned the intentional wounding of a deer so they may halal it before it expires. I for one would not allow this under any circumstances and they would not be welcome back and politely told that I am fully booked.

Same here never had a problem.

 

[Woodsmoke]

African muslims tend to be great pragmatists.

As do the majority of their brethren, in my limited experience . . . .

For example, apparently it's a prerequisite that the body needs to be in one piece before it can enter Paradise . . . . .

Special dispensation is made for suicide bombers though. Handy that, eh?