Head shooting

[Chris Richardson]

Correct, lead is better in this instance. But copper is good enough.

It’s better in every instance, however I’m happy we agree on something

 

[Tim.243]

I'm not aware of any individual stalker who has a contract with a game dealer to supply x number of carcasses per year to a certain specified standard, but I suppose that might be a thing.
Do you know of any examples?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in target opportunity is!
The last fallow I shot 55kg larder weight was flicking his head up and down with a short window to take a shot so when he pulled up I put one in his ribs running 50 yds toasted h/l shot 1 rib broken on the entrance 2 on the exit, dealers don't use the ribs as they and all the bones go in the waste bin and collected for I believe the cosmetic market.
There will be only a thin slice of people taking a full mortgage household holiday student uni bill paying wage from this, most of "US" have a job, they will also add by taking clients selling the hard antlers from cull deer, some will top it up with "grants" which is fine but the large number of "US" will be
employed (self) on a salary that is how it works.

A fly on the wall as a newly engaged couple sit down with a mortgage lender" the lap top is scrolled down to the young mans current work status
Lender says "I see you have a good wage coming in" young man pipes up "yes" but I have packed up that job and am looking into shooting deer for a living" At that point his fiancé starts crying the lender is closing the lap top and shouts "next"
@Norfolk Deer Search

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Well in that case, it's nothing to do with the game dealer, is it?
In stalkers' contracts with landowners there are so many permutations, for example:

- Stalker is contracted to shoot x number of deer. What happens to the carcasses is the landowner's problem
Or
- Stalker is contracted to shoot and remove x number of deer, in which case the fee paid by the landowner to the stalker for the work carried out would recompense the stalker for the inconvenience of trying to find outlets for the carcasses.
Or
- The stalker does it purely for a hobby, and isn’t fussed about financial return on carcasses, and just wants to fill his own freezer (in which case he was the wrong person for the contract).
Or
-The stalker accepts a low price for carcasses, but feels morally justified in having made what he considers an ethical decision on shot placement.
Or
- The stalker retails the venison himself.
Or
- The stalker pays the landowner for the right to take clients on the land, and lets his clients keep what they shoot. Problem solved.

And so on, and so on.

So many variations. None of which involve direct pressure from a game dealer.
And in the event that a contract did specify that a certain shot placement was required, and you were not comfortable with that or sufficiently competent, you simply wouldn't tender for that contract.

Okay, yes, there are always options but it is easy to just type....give them away or sell them for a low price......but it is harder to do in reality but........yes, if we want to get down to the bottom line, anything is possible but......in my personal opinion, far from ideal.

 

[VSS]

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in target opportunity is!
The last fallow I shot 55kg larder weight was flicking his head up and down with a short window to take a shot so when he pulled up I put one in his ribs running 50 yds toasted h/l shot 1 rib broken on the entrance 2 on the exit, dealers don't use the ribs as they and all the bones go in the waste bin and collected for I believe the cosmetic market.
There will be only a thin slice of people taking a full mortgage household holiday student uni bill paying wage from this, most of "US" have a job, they will also add by taking clients selling the hard antlers from cull deer, some will top it up with "grants" which is fine but the large number of "US" will be
employed (self) on a salary that is how it works.

A fly on the wall as a newly engaged couple sit down with a mortgage lender" the lap top is scrolled down to the young mans current work status
Lender says "I see you have a good wage coming in" young man pipes up "yes" but I have packed up that job and am looking into shooting deer for a living" At that point his fiancé starts crying the lender is closing the lap top and shouts "next"
@Norfolk Deer Search

Exactly, Tim.
It is only the "thin slice", as you call it, who need to worry about carcass price, or access to a dealer who's happy to take what they produce.
The remainder have a "proper" job, and shoot deer for a hobby. A hobby that they are prepared to pay for. So carcass price is irrelevant to them. Isn't it?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in target opportunity is!
The last fallow I shot 55kg larder weight was flicking his head up and down with a short window to take a shot so when he pulled up I put one in his ribs running 50 yds toasted h/l shot 1 rib broken on the entrance 2 on the exit, dealers don't use the ribs as they and all the bones go in the waste bin and collected for I believe the cosmetic market.
There will be only a thin slice of people taking a full mortgage household holiday student uni bill paying wage from this, most of "US" have a job, they will also add by taking clients selling the hard antlers from cull deer, some will top it up with "grants" which is fine but the large number of "US" will be
employed (self) on a salary that is how it works.

A fly on the wall as a newly engaged couple sit down with a mortgage lender" the lap top is scrolled down to the young mans current work status
Lender says "I see you have a good wage coming in" young man pipes up "yes" but I have packed up that job and am looking into shooting deer for a living" At that point his fiancé starts crying the lender is closing the lap top and shouts "next"
@Norfolk Deer Search

Don’t know what you tagging me for I’m done and unfollowed the ****tard head shooting thread.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Okay, yes, there are always options but it is easy to just type....give them away or sell them for a low price......but it is harder to do in reality but........yes, if we want to get down to the bottom line, anything is possible but......in my personal opinion, far from ideal.

Ideal doesn’t come into it really, if the landowner is any a certain number of deer removed then it’s up to the stalker to make that happen

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Ideal doesn’t come into it really, if the landowner is any a certain number of deer removed then it’s up to the stalker to make that happen

We could go on all day and, the situation that I refer to isn't my situation - I personally have no problems with my stalking or carcass outlet. However, I can fully empathise with a situation that has worked for 25 years and the infrastructure set up in a certain way where deer, head, neck or body shot have been taken from a chiller to a game dealer and all is working fine - albeit the income drops year on year but, hey ho - we can live with that - to then be told - No Body Shot Deer Please - yes, I can empathise with that situation.......As always, horses for courses - that's my opinion - others are more than welcome to their own.

 

[Tim.243]

Don’t know what you tagging me for I’m done and unfollowed the ****tard head shooting thread.

lol saves your sanity

 

[Beagle boy]

Clicked the video, realised who it was, turned it off straight away.

I’m relatively new on here mate, can I ask why people don’t like him?

 

[John Gryphon]

You are a busy amateur at best, a couple of hundred deer a year

That`s 195 more than the average deer stalker.

Correct, but I don’t see why they should be treated differently. They feel pain.

Not when they get a 100kg boot on them.


For the purists here that suggest head shots should only be taken one way or another. Here are a couple of sambar spikies that were aware of me that held their nose up as sambar do when they are aware and look down their nose at you.
One with a 300 win mag the other a 7mm mag iirc. Neither bullet exited which demonstrates the robust bone filled skulls. Brain soup is the result. I rarely head shoot sambar as it is not the best practice imo on sambar and prefer the shoulder 99.9% of the time.
Mind you the Aussie roo shooters head shoot huge numbers of roos every night,they obviously know the job of course.

edited to pose that I have now had the thought that the bottom deer was shot with my PH `64....age related memory thing.

 

[Mike1979]

I’m relatively new on here mate, can I ask why people don’t like him?

The issue is the pompous way he comes across like he knows everything and is the best thing since sliced bread...then goes to Ireland a acts like an absolute fool shooting at Sika. Just my opinion

 

[Tim.243]

Exactly, Tim.
It is only the "thin slice", as you call it, who need to worry about carcass price, or access to a dealer who's happy to take what they produce.
The remainder have a "proper" job, and shoot deer for a hobby. A hobby that they are prepared to pay for. So carcass price is irrelevant to them. Isn't it?

It is a "thin slice" as I just checked "Jobs in the Chelmsford area" ( city status) 5 pages with nothing advertised for deer stalker or sheep/deer farmer
People who complain about the price difference won't want to go back to their first job when they left school or the number of jobs in-between
as they like what they do but also like to complain but they would not start from scratch these days.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Any game dealers on SD who can give us their take on why a head/neck shot carcass is more desirable? (It's pretty obvious, really)

The arse has dropped out of the business, I'd expect, since Brexit. I know our local used to send a high percentage of the game they took abroad.
They won't give you a penny for a partridge... but you can drop them off there, and they will "dispose" of them... it's all gone bonkers...

Brit's it seems all like "Chicken of The Supermarket", rather than "Chicken of The Woods", such a shame.

 

[Beagle boy]

The issue is the pompous way he comes across like he knows everything and is the best thing since sliced bread...then goes to Ireland an acts like an absolute fool shooting at Sika. Just my opinion

I’ve watched a few of his videos, I think the videos are quite well done to be fair to him. As in the camera shots and editing.
I’ve not shout thousands of deer like a lot of guys out there but I have shot quite a lot of munty.
I think it all depends on the time, the place, the person and what the equipment used is.
I’d feel comfortable around the 100-150 yard mark taking head shots on muntjacs. But that doesn’t always mean it the best thing to do.
I think I saw the sika video, is that the one where it ran on for ages?

 

[Mike1979]

I’ve watched a few of his videos, I think the videos are quite well done to be fair to him. As in the camera shots and editing.
I’ve not shout thousands of deer like a lot of guys out there but I have shot quite a lot of munty.
I think it all depends on the time, the place, the person and what the equipment used is.
I’d feel comfortable around the 100-150 yard mark taking head shots on muntjacs. But that doesn’t always mean it the best thing to do.
I think I saw the sika video, is that the one where it ran on for ages?

I think its a case of when you dislike someone (fairly or otherwise) you cant watch them again

The Irish vid was one where he missed a couple, carried on then got in a real old flap as he didnt realise the bolt had moved whilst he was carrying it ...seemed a bit amateurish . Whilst we all cock stuff up ...we dont brag about how good we are and ponse about on Youtube...welll I dont anyway

 

[Tim.243]

I’ve watched a few of his videos, I think the videos are quite well done to be fair to him. As in the camera shots and editing.
I’ve not shout thousands of deer like a lot of guys out there but I have shot quite a lot of munty.
I think it all depends on the time, the place, the person and what the equipment used is.
I’d feel comfortable around the 100-150 yard mark taking head shots on muntjacs. But that doesn’t always mean it the best thing to do.
I think I saw the sika video, is that the one where it ran on for ages?

I like Peter Jones as he caters for his clients and at the end of the day it his channel, some replies remind me of the " Sunday Soccer Dads" shouting from the touch line only to embarrass their children playing also no one taking any notice

See they heard "Fight" (in Welsh)

 

[Nickb]

I like Peter Jones

That speaks volumes

 

[Tim.243]

That speaks volumes

So did what Shemus said about your previous SD shadow self on SD.
I can think of a couple but it is not Peter Jones

 

[RCS Deer Management]

It is a "thin slice" as I just checked "Jobs in the Chelmsford area" ( city status) 5 pages with nothing advertised for deer stalker or sheep/deer farmer
People who complain about the price difference won't want to go back to their first job when they left school or the number of jobs in-between
as they like what they do but also like to complain but they would not start from scratch these days.

But you have got that completely wrong (as usual). it’s not professionals who are headshooting who are moaning about prices. It’s you lot who are moaning about people headshooting in order to increase profit. Headshooters are perfectly happy going about their buisness earning a premium for something they are confident doing.

 

[Nickb]

But you have got that completely wrong (as usual).

Nah wor Timmy is always right