Hikmicro harbrok HE25L 4k
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Low end thermal sensor, 256px sensor and 25mm lens... priced accordingly ..You get what you pay for... Not something you would use for foxing, unless on a very tight budget and then, I'd sooner buy a Lynx 2.0 LH25 or LH35 with 384px sensor
The lynx range don't have lrf do they? How does the LH19 compare? I am on a bit of a budget that's all.
Motard
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Since I bought it had become e fix piece of my equipment, As other say thermal sensor is basic but it does what'needed (checking for pèresences and identify them from behaviour's movement etc) then you have chance of the other channels (nv&optical) for viewing on pair of way costly appareils. RF, compass gps are a whorthly bonus.
Whats the detection range like on them? Can you id a fox at say 400/500 yards?
Motard
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Yesterday night could clearly detect foxes fron hedgedog at 200 mt, hogs still in the thick, not willing to show out cause bad wind, at 350. But those features also way depends from the climate. In humid weather distances can be cut in half if not more
For foxing, personally, I would say “no”, I had a pair and returned them. The thermal is too low to be useful and the binos would struggle out at the ranges you are looking at.
For deer stalking, they are ok, as they will indicate something and the binos would work out what it was.
I would personally recommend a decent thermal monocular for foxing. The extra weight of the unit and the nv binos will struggle at your distances, so not really any good.
A decent thermal will show good resolution.
For deer stalking, they are ok, as they will indicate something and the binos would work out what it was.
I would personally recommend a decent thermal monocular for foxing. The extra weight of the unit and the nv binos will struggle at your distances, so not really any good.
A decent thermal will show good resolution.
Motard
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This interest me as a first had experience. I have just opened another thread on this argoument because did't whanted to hijack this discussion, but may aswell cancell it. Is the HQ35L really better? and is the optical channel on pair the the Habrok HE25? I am reading mixed opinion about so firts hand experience would be extremely valuable.
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Jeff8861
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I mainly use the thermal chanel which is a 640, this is really good. In the intrest I do use the digital channel it comes in very handy for confirmation of species. It's outstanding at low light far better than any glass. Daytime digital is fine for me I can't complain at all. I mainly fox with the odd stalking session. Overall the habroks are very handy.
Motard
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the thermal of the 35 should be two steps over yhe 25 and way more eye and mind relaxing. But as we all know there is differences between one image (althought digital) and the rendering of the draft or silhouette from thermal. On a recent hunting trip Serbia I was able to judge perfectly roes from deer at 800 and more meters just by judging from shapes and behaviours. same applies for me on foxes but ñot so far. I have not much interest in shooting them but in my mind le25 would ne limited to 250 mt or so.
That is correct. But with the better thermal, you can identify species better, using the thermal.
Absolutely not... Detection is the easiest, then recognition, then identification .... Top end thermal can "recognise" at this distance, but a positive 100% ID at 500m even with top end kit is a hard task... even with 4000m detection range kit... ID is something else..
If you require ID at 500m this is not going to cut the mustard, be prepared to be severely disappointed..
It's an entry level unit, designed for wildlife, bird watchers and budget stalkers.... it's not even an average night hunting tool.. spend more and stick with a dedicated thermal for cost and performance.....
I actually really don’t agree-with much respect. I think they are an invaluable stalking tool.
I have used all sorts of thermal, at work and recreationally and the 25’s are easily the most handy things I have bought. They are a case of identifying a single beast or group, which through experience of deer movement (and your ground) you instantly know what you are likely looking at, but the 4k (with extra light gathering and stabilised 22x mag) you can quickly look and see if they are cull animals or to be spared. No thermal ever invented can do this for you.
A few weeks ago I was guiding a good friend on bucks and we saw one at range, he with his swaro ELs myself with the 25’s at 22x. He swore it was a doe (and it did look like one-thin neck, bloated belly), but I could ID it as a tiny spiker-and an excellent cull animal. We both agreed how amazing the optical resolution is at range, I suspect we would have walked away, leaving a really quite poor animal on the ground.
They are light, relatively inexpensive (I am not sure £1200 constitutes budget though) have a perfectly adequate (for stalking) thermal and a fantastic 4k with giro stabilised 22x power- so essentially a spotting scope, with the ability to record images/video AND a LRF. I think they are excellent, in the season I am out ‘a bit’ and haven’t found them wanting. The ability to have all you want in one small package is so useful, I see lots of stalkers carrying binos and a thermal clattering around, I have even see some use thermal binoculars and glass, or use the chest rig which I have now completely dispensed with.
All that being said, to answer the OP, for pure foxing I would throw all my money into thermal. That’s what you’ll get the most use out of.
Sorry what part of what I said do you not agree with ?
I get you like your Habrok 25, fair enough, the 4K optical channel is good... but the thermal side is neigh on purely for "detection" only or close range "recognition" , it's the exact opposite of what the OP is asking for in requirements...
He's asking about thermal performance.....identification at 500m !!! Thermal wise, it's absolute pants.. save and buy the Habrok 4K HQ35L not only do you gain a much better sensor, larger focal length lens, you also gain the new IR system and improved battery system...but realistically , you would need to jump to a 50-75mm lens , 12 micron to have half a chance of ID at this distance..
If you only need thermal do not buy a Habrok 4K HE25L, buy a monocular like a Lynx LH25 or LH35 , for similar money and much better thermal performance... If your thinking but it does not have an LRF and 4K , then also think performance has to be cut somewhere, at this price point, which is why your stuck with a 256px sensor, which is nearly rock bottom when it comes to thermal sensor resolution
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Your insinuation that they aren’t much good apart for budget stalkers, which implies newbies etc. I appreciate that wasn’t explicitly said, but that was the gist.
I think they’re fit for purpose for any deer stalker.
Foxing is a different kettle of fish.
Ps I caveated it with maximum respect as quite clearly you know you onions, I actually find a lot of thermal over spec for the job at hand (stalking).
Yeh as an entry level stalking tool, they are great, for stalkers...
But that's not what I was telling him..... I was answering his question from experience of thermal performance, when asked is it capable at 500m to ID a fox.... absolutley NOT..NO NO NO !!
If your into foxing DO not buy this... without any doubt, it's the worst thing you could do... BUY a better specification monocular like a Lynx, Falcon, Condor ,etc but even then 500m positive ID, good luck !!
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