Scope for all

[j200esy]

Hi,
I have an option to shoot boar on some ground..
And thinking of going for the New Hikmicro Alpex pro.
Then also use it for day time Roe shooting,
As some of the Roe I could be shooting could well be up to 250 yards.
And with the built in BC on the Hikmicro it would be a great option to have.
Also saves me having two rifles with me all the time.
I also do some foxing which again the Hik would be ideal for..

Has anyone changed over from glass to digital scope for day time Stalking and night time boar..
Just wanting some feedback pros and cons..

Many thanks

 

[Chris Richardson]

Hi,
I have an option to shoot boar on some ground..
And thinking of going for the New Hikmicro Alpex pro.
Then also use it for day time Roe shooting,
As some of the Roe I could be shooting could well be up to 250 yards.
And with the built in BC on the Hikmicro it would be a great option to have.
Also saves me having two rifles with me all the time.
I also do some foxing which again the Hik would be ideal for..

Has anyone changed over from glass to digital scope for day time Stalking and night time boar..
Just wanting some feedback pros and cons..

Many thanks

i did then immediately changed back to glass , found in woodland the alpex was useless

 

[W1LL]

After one stalk in woodland with a digital scope I’ll probably never do it again. No depth of field compared to glass, may be good in a seat looking down a open ride or a field but actual deciduous woodland stalking was pretty rubbish

 

[Chris Richardson]

After one stalk in woodland with a digital scope I’ll probably never do it again. No depth of field compared to glass, may be good in a seat looking down a open ride or a field but actual deciduous woodland stalking was pretty rubbish

also light shining back from wet leaves too

 

[takbok]

Digital can do both at a push. I don't feel hugely disadvantaged by daytime stalking with a digital scope, but prefer a traditional scope - so I have both options.

Very low depth of field is the main disadvantage of digital scopes IMO. My basic digital scope is set and forget from 50m+ but most aren't and require constant fiddling with focus - evidenced by the profusion of focus throw levera available for them.

 

[Will the chippy]

What you need is low mag top quality glass, I just so happen to have a very nice schmidt and bender 6 x 42 for sale.

 

[Mike1979]

Fantastic quality glass is no use in the dark and before anyone says "use a lamp" those days are long gone for anyone serious about shooting foxes.

Will digital do all you need - yes. Is it as good in daylight as good glass- no. Is digital better then glass when its dark or low light - yes.

If you have loads of money and can afford multiple scopes and QD mounts etc then great but ultimately an Alpex will do the job just fine.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Fantastic quality glass is no use in the dark and before anyone says "use a lamp" those days are long gone for anyone serious about shooting foxes.

I know an old boy who does very well with contributions to his diesel and pension clearing up foxes shot at by people who have no idea what they’re doing with digital and thermal scopes, I still run by the old saying all the gear no idea!

Personally good glass and a lamp although old-fashioned, but perfectly adequate for the job!

Plus the bonus of a lamp is everybody knows where you are and can see you, the ultimate poacher deterrent!

 

[Mike1979]

I know an old boy who does very well with contributions to his diesel and pension clearing up foxes shot at by people who have no idea what they’re doing with digital and thermal scopes, I still run by the old saying all the gear no idea!

Personally good glass and a lamp although old-fashioned, but perfectly adequate for the job!

Plus the bonus of a lamp is everybody knows where you are and can see you, the ultimate poacher deterrent!

I spent the first 10 or so years shooting foxes with a lamp...things have moved on mate and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.

I agree about all the gear and no idea part but the majority of people who use digital or thermal know what they are doing...and if not shouldnt be out shooting.

I bet more people have been killed by idiots with lamps then by idiots with thermal or NV...plenty of sad tales over the years.

I appreciate some (you included) dont like modern scopes but they have a place and do the job just fine in the right hands.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I spent the first 10 or so years shooting foxes with a lamp...things have moved on mate and anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.

I agree about all the gear and no idea part but the majority of people who use digital or thermal know what they are doing...and if not shouldnt be out shooting.

I bet more people have been killed by idiots with lamps then by idiots with thermal or NV...plenty of sad tales over the years.

I appreciate some (you included) dont like modern scopes but they have a place and do the job just fine in the right hands.

But it’s not a scope, is it?

It’s a cheaply built chinky special that won’t last the test of time, you will waste more money on digital and thermal than you will glass that’s for sure!

I’ve seen a Second World War German sniper rifle scope in Germany that’s still on a rifle to this day, and regularly goes out of an evening for a pig.

You won’t get that with modern day chinky crap.

Why do you think I’ve banned all digital scopes here?

People can’t be trusted. I’ve seen too many bullets in places where there shouldn’t be bullets.

 

[Mike1979]

But it’s not a scope, is it?

It’s a cheaply built chinky special that won’t last the test of time, you will waste more money on digital and thermal than you will glass that’s for sure!

I’ve seen a Second World War German sniper rifle scope in Germany that’s still on a rifle to this day, and regularly goes out of an evening for a pig.

You won’t get that with modern day chinky crap.

Why do you think I’ve banned all digital scopes here?

People can’t be trusted. I’ve seen too many bullets in places where there shouldn’t be bullets.

You hit the nail on the head...the issue is with people and not the kit and that wont change. Saying kit is crap is not true...its value for money .. end of. You pay £20 for a pair of boots and they last 6 months...are they crap...nope they are value for money and not comparable to £150 boots.

This idea that a £650 scope compares with £3500 glass is utter nonsense.

If you dont want to use them then dont...but saying they are crap is your opinion and not the opinion of many.

During daylight hours would I use digital over glass....absolutely not...but that is not the discussion.

I have no issues with you being a glass snob..nowt wrong with that. As you said "you do you and I ll do me"

 

[Tim.243]

But it’s not a scope, is it?

It’s a cheaply built chinky special that won’t last the test of time, you will waste more money on digital and thermal than you will glass that’s for sure!

I’ve seen a Second World War German sniper rifle scope in Germany that’s still on a rifle to this day, and regularly goes out of an evening for a pig.

You won’t get that with modern day chinky crap.

Why do you think I’ve banned all digital scopes here?

People can’t be trusted. I’ve seen too many bullets in places where there shouldn’t be bullets.

Even worse on a Sheepmoor Lee in the vain hope the round matches the Enigma code machine operator at the other end
No point in having one if you don't have any deer...

 

[ashray]

NIGHT VISION/THERMAL are used around here to great effect ! THEY DESIMATE THE DEER POPULATION/HARES/BADGERS ANY THING THAT CARAVAN DWELLERS CAN SELL ON ,money well spend<or stolen> for them.

 

[Sandy25]

After one stalk in woodland with a digital scope I’ll probably never do it again. No depth of field compared to glass, may be good in a seat looking down a open ride or a field but actual deciduous woodland stalking was pretty rubbish

This - I have moved to using a .223 with a C50 for Muntjac on our ground now as seeing quite a few around.
on the open rides once light has completely gone and using an ir torch to is brilliant - clarity is good and happy to take shots out to 150.

However as @W1LL said, in woodland or thicker cover the glare and refraction from the torch whites out the image. In day mode colour doesn't allow the ID and clarity that glass would provide.
I think it is very dependent on your ground that your are shooting over, the more open fields/rides/woodland edges would be ideal, and you wont have any issues for roe etc. However, if you are doing a lot of woodland stalking where cover may be an issue then having two cheaper rifles with a NV on one and glass on the other may be an alternative.
I would also like to mention that shooting deer through digital doesn't have the same "connection" for want of a better word. does feel very 2D and more like population control rather than "stalking", just something to be aware of as does really change the entire feel and mood of stalking.

ATB,

Sandy

 

[Sniper308]

Something like the delta 4-24x50 is ideal

 

[NullMac]

I have started using the Hik for evergreen woodland so mainly shooting them in rides.

There are compromises. I am after Sika so that shot in very last light is a big advantage.

Price is good.

Resolution can be poor if you expect 5-25 like an optical scope. 7x is certainly good enough, 14x debatable depending on the light and 28x is a bit ****. They are maybe usable but may not be to everybody’s idea of what a scope should do.

I think it benefits from a bit more management than a glass scope. Switching from day to night mode and vice versa at the right times seems to be important, as does maybe having continuous zoom (rather than simple doubling) to maximise the resolution as the light changes may be an idea.

The ballistics stuff seems good and as always will benefit from true bc’s and mv’s.

So they are not the same, give you useful abilities but demand some compromises. Sort of depends on what you do as to whether it works. On balance I like it but have to accept I am not going to be able to shoot small

 

[75]

I've got an Alpex on one rifle and decent glass on the other. I don't actually mind the shallow DOF of digital in woodland though, helpful for zooming in and out and checking for branches in the way of the shot. But I really dislike the alpex for sunny daylight woodland stalking. It just doesn't cope with the contrast between light and dark well, especially if foreground is bright and deer is standing in shadow. It's fine early or late in the day, but as soon as the sun gets higher it's rubbish.

so Alpex is my go-to for dawn / dusk, especially in mid-winter when "an hour before sunrise" can still be pitch black, but this time of year I tend to reach for the glass.

 

[j200esy]

I appreciate everyone’s input .

I have heard the new Hikmicro Pro has better depth in the day time , giving a truer picture, obviously not as good as a quality glass scope.

I will wait to see some true reviews from “users” not “sellers”
If there is an honest review out there tho

 

[Mike1979]

I appreciate everyone’s input .

I have heard the new Hikmicro Pro has better depth in the day time , giving a truer picture, obviously not as good as a quality glass scope.

I will wait to see some true reviews from “users” not “sellers”
If there is an honest review out there tho

That will teach you for asking for opinions

Keep clear of calibre or chambering questions...I got called an idiot for owning a 6.5 Creed earlier ... ignorance still lurks on this forum

 

[Tim.243]

I appreciate everyone’s input .

I have heard the new Hikmicro Pro has better depth in the day time , giving a truer picture, obviously not as good as a quality glass scope.

I will wait to see some true reviews from “users” not “sellers”
If there is an honest review out there tho

I have x2 Drone 10's for a long time so learnt that the depth of field (focus) is much more critical also is the same with the Hik than a glass scope.
Like nearly all bits of kit there will not be "one does it all" from all which is on the market be it a knife coat sticks boots scope rifle.
If I bought my Hik again it would be a non LRF as the IR profile would be lower, also I never have used range finders in all my shooting with glass scopes to digital. In the draw is a Kahles 3-12x56 also a Swro z6 2.4-15x56
First/last light if I can't see it with those above then I could see it with the Hik or Drone 10 but the Hik has the legs with zoom to pick out a bit more detail.
For me it is a tool that makes the odds a bit more even as deer have the edge over us all day long.