How long before someone produces a .240 / 6.10mm rifle to avoid the lead ban?

[Chris Richardson]

This is all backward thinking . 1. copper is brilliant from .223 upwards into deer where the law allows the lighter weight and energy 2. when it comes to dangerous game copper and brass have both done more than share , even back in black powder days .

why not use it instead of lead from day 1 if its better?

 

[Bowland blades]

Hard to believe that people were using solid copper or brass bullets back in the black powder era.

In the past they shot lots of stuff and life was taken as cheap. Have you seen Poachers guns and the state of them to this day ?

 

[Bowland blades]

why not use it instead of lead from day 1 if its better?

Price , lead is easy to form by casting. compared to brass / copper . However brass and copper dives deeper through thick bone

 

[Chris Richardson]

Price , lead is easy to form by casting. compared to brass / copper . However brass and copper dives deeper through thick bone

thats odd seem to see a lot of folk on here saying copper doesnt perform as well .............

 

[Bowland blades]

thats odd seem to see a lot of folk on here saying copper doesnt perform as well .............

To be fair a great percentage of members might not have shot as many deer as as me on deer or not many deer full stop ? , it often seems that way in the main part ! the best of the copper bullets kill far better than lead , dealers and estates require copper shot beasts I had a very long time shooting lead before copper even existed in the uk gunshops shelves , i would not go back ! But lets get this clean and simple its now required . Some early copper was pants ! That's largely stopped as users stick to the better stuff ( buying the cheapest copper bullets your far more chance of getting poor ammo )
Barnes have a long history of making copper hunting bullets and i have to say they kill really well indeed and the 50 grain Hornady has served me well before the 50 grain tTSX 50 grain was available .
The nearest thing to Barnes is the lead Nosler partition in the .223 indeed i would say it might be a tad better than Barnes on the small deer species of deer
The only guns i shoot lead in is .22rf , 22hornet and 223 and of course a few .22 air

 

[Smellydog]

^ is he for real.

 

[Harry mac]

I think its actually .245!

The bullet diameter is .245. The calibre is .240".

 

[Chris Richardson]

To be fair a great percentage of members might not have shot as many deer as as me on deer or not many deer full stop ? , it often seems that way in the main part ! the best of the copper bullets kill far better than lead , dealers and estates require copper shot beasts I had a very long time shooting lead before copper even existed in the uk gunshops shelves , i would not go back ! But lets get this clean and simple its now required . Some early copper was pants ! That's largely stopped as users stick to the better stuff ( buying the cheapest copper bullets your far more chance of getting poor ammo )
Barnes have a long history of making copper hunting bullets and i have to say they kill really well indeed and the 50 grain Hornady has served me well before the 50 grain tTSX 50 grain was available .
The nearest thing to Barnes is the lead Nosler partition in the .223 indeed i would say it might be a tad better than Barnes on the small deer species of deer
The only guns i shoot lead in is .22rf , 22hornet and 223 and of course a few .22 air

Sorry but all evidence seems to point towards copper not killing as well as lead despite you claiming the opposite

 

[shakey jake]

^ is he for real.

If bowland said good morning, id check weather and time

 

[cjm1066]

Personally I will never use lead for deer again, copper does the job and was designed for better performance than lead. Our Story

My remaining lead will be used for practce.

 

[Harry mac]

The 6.17mm thing depends on what’s stated.

If it’s the rifle calibre then there’s an argument as to whether 243 is bigger or smaller depending on whether you measure grove to grove or land to land.

If it’s based on the bullet size, it’s bigger as the bullet is .243” which is a shade over 6.17mm.

I can’t see anyone making a rifle that’s marginally sub 6.17mm as the only market would be the U.K. and the manufacturer would be extremely vulnerable to a small tweak in the law rendering the entire project obsolete.

Calibre is always measured land to land, it is the bore diameter.

.243, .308, etc. are bullet diameters or commercial names.

 

[Klenchblaize]

The way things are heading I'd be more concerned about having the fuel to get to my hunting ground!

May have to keep the diesel-powered rumble truck a little longer than planned!

K