reloader54
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they are, as this poll clearly shows.
How many have left BASC?
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jimbo1984
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100% correct I gave up on basc years ago when they gave up on thier members , it’s been a gravy train for years . I wouldn’t want basc to change , just disband , they should reap what they’ve sown
So they voted with their feet. That's fine, so why are so many still complaining about it? I'm not trying to be argumentative but if you're not members anymore what is the problem. I could understand if you had just left them but not if it was years ago.
It would be interesting to know how many of you that have left - irrespective of how long ago - ever took any active part in the organisation.
I'm not actually defending the BASC I am looking at this as a complete outsider. I would also be interested in knowing what are your ideas for a voice for shooting in the UK? Or don't you want one?
My feeling is that you have too many organisations in the UK that all have their own agendas.
It would be interesting to know how many of you that have left - irrespective of how long ago - ever took any active part in the organisation.
I'm not actually defending the BASC I am looking at this as a complete outsider. I would also be interested in knowing what are your ideas for a voice for shooting in the UK? Or don't you want one?
My feeling is that you have too many organisations in the UK that all have their own agendas.
enfieldspares
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People complain as they want the organisation, the supplier, the service provider to have the chance to say "Sorry" and to own and correct the issue that has caused the original complaint. They want to give a second chance for the matter to be put aright before walking away.
These complainers are valuable customers as if you get the matter sorted right they usually not only stay as customers but often become very vocal "champions" for you. Telling customers that use competeing providers of the same product or service that although there was "a problem" they put it right for you and made you happy.
That's why we complain out of a hope that BASC might actually "own" the complaint, might admit it got things wrong, might actually apologise, might actually try to then put things aright by spending money to redress the complainer's concerns (for example on a judicial review of the medical report issue or at least publishing the advice) and might actually give a guarantee that next time it does better.
If BASC as an organisation can't even comprehend this most basic "rule" of handling customer complaints then who on earth are they employing up at Marford Mill? At a wages cost of XXX Million? Have they no idea how complaints should be correctly handled?
These complainers are valuable customers as if you get the matter sorted right they usually not only stay as customers but often become very vocal "champions" for you. Telling customers that use competeing providers of the same product or service that although there was "a problem" they put it right for you and made you happy.
That's why we complain out of a hope that BASC might actually "own" the complaint, might admit it got things wrong, might actually apologise, might actually try to then put things aright by spending money to redress the complainer's concerns (for example on a judicial review of the medical report issue or at least publishing the advice) and might actually give a guarantee that next time it does better.
If BASC as an organisation can't even comprehend this most basic "rule" of handling customer complaints then who on earth are they employing up at Marford Mill? At a wages cost of XXX Million? Have they no idea how complaints should be correctly handled?
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You make a very good and valid point and of course they must be held liable for their F*** ups. So how do you do that. Do they hold local meetings that you as a member can attend and complain directly to the local representative? Does he thenpass on those complaints?
As an earlier post has pointed out there are organisations out there specific to the type of fieldsport or shooting they represent. My problem is that BASC is bulling themselves up to be "THE" voice of shooting and as such have made decisions independently that have serious consequences for all shooters.
If there was a joint consensus between orgs on major issues it would be a good idea IMO.
I left BASC in 1999 and outside of fellow guns who were members at that time I was unaware if there was any local branch organisation available unlike the NGO.
enfieldspares
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BRYAN DC....BASC could re. medical input post on their website that they got it wrong and that they will seek judicial review against any police authority that then is demanding medical input over and beyond that in the letter and intent of the Home Office Manual of Guidance. But BASC has done neither nor even justified in a satisfactory manner why it hasn't sought a judicial review. As others say why as they baulked at it haven't they even published the advice that caused them to not seek such?
But if enough members make their feelings felt then they will have to do something. That's possibly easier to do at a local level. go to the local meeting and bring forward a motion that everyone there can vote on and then that has to be acted on. They cant just ignore it. Or can they?
If BASC gave the £8.000.000 back to it's members I think it works out at about £60.00 each. That's just enough to pay for everybody's next Medical Letter at renewal. 
jimbo1984
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They seem to be , but let’s face it as long as people keep paying them why should they care ?
EMcC
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I joined when it was WAGBI and have paid my fees ever since.
As for attending any of the things put on by BASC, most if not all, have been arranged miles from where I live or have not been of any interest to me.
I have never had any need to call them for anything and most of the things I have seen where others have called them, should have already been known by a Firearms owner without calling them.
So the bottom line is that the Insurance, of which I have never had need to make use of, is the only thing that may have been any use to me had I needed it.
I have just received a notice from BASC of 'Events in My Area' what !!
The nearest thing of which I might have been interested in is 60 miles away !! so not really my area at all and, as it is an evening event, if I made an effort to attend my return home would be rather late.
Having just read the full programme for the evening I find that the 'side shows' would be much more interest to me than the actual BASC presentation.
N1mr0d
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This sums up BASC for me at the moment Ian Bell's Blogs - BASC
Last blog was 2018
He represents 140000 and cannot even be bothered to update us.
This lack of communicating fully obviously affects the rest of the organisation
Last blog was 2018
He represents 140000 and cannot even be bothered to update us.
This lack of communicating fully obviously affects the rest of the organisation
I have to agree that's not much of an effort. In fact it is no effort at all
jimbo1984
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The above poll shows the problem , 28% sticking with basc no matter what failures or apathy , just through blind loyalty
enfieldspares
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The same as in the poem by Hilaire Belloc who wrote this "And always keep ahold of nurse For fear of finding something worse."
As well as the delightful "South Country" that ends with the lovely "And the men that were boys when I was a boy, Shall sit and drink with me."
So it's just as some don't change electricity suppliers or car insurers or house insurers. Fear of getting something worse.
countrryboy
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But does basc not hold more stuff regionally than most orgs?
I know I have volunteered my time and ground a few times for young shots days that they eventually canceled as no one was interested. Last time only 2 kids interested.
U know wot they say about leaving a horse to water!!
They're is only so much they can do if the uptake is not there.
Then others moan as they have to drive 30-50 miles expecting everything to be laid on at there doorstep.
I think someone summed it up earlier ( possibly Bryan?) it's more general apathy that's killing shooting more than anything. Look how few folk vote in basc elections?? In last year's the 2 winning votes were 800 odd and they were both folk u had heard off. Probably only 2-3000 votes in total, that's rubbish probably only 2% off members
No matter wot org u pay dues to how many are really responding to offical questionaires/reviews or write to MPs/msps
countrryboy
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Is that ur view on ur long experience of being a basc member.
That's right cheaper desiel, 20% of new motors and free entry to game fairs plus subsidised stalking.
All of the above they've been slated for anyway. They really can't win with some
Aye nothing positive for members I can see.
"Change, change, change! As if things weren't bad enough already!" Anon.
jimbo1984
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I was a basc member for 15 years , I must ask what do you think is important ? Discounts on diesel or saving shooting sports ? I don’t join an org for perks I join so they can fight for usIs that ur view on ur long experience of being a basc member.
That's right cheaper desiel, 20% of new motors and free entry to game fairs plus subsidised stalking.
All of the above they've been slated for anyway. They really can't win with some
Aye nothing positive for members I can see.
Is there " something worse. "?
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