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she's chained in yard all day,
That's no life for any dog, let alone something as bright as a Malinois. I was amazed at how bright my friend's dog is, it seems as if every time I see her she has picked up her training another notch.
An old hunting pal is a dog handler in the police force, his new dog is also a Mally, he can't speak highly enough about them, his first two police dogs were Ally's.
 
First thought is a lab x of some sort, I’ve a lab x pointer and she is on the smaller side but wants to be out all day every day, works her socks off until we walk in the house then she lies in front of the fire or by my side.
Calm, born half trained and a superb nose on her as well.

Has all the get up and go you could ever want, perfect around the farm and totally stock broke (all mine are stock broke from an early age)

Second thought, a bit out the box here, a Belgium malinois.

IF you have it in you to train one properly, they are fantastic dogs, mine also does tracking and herding in the farm, he will work 25 hours a day if someone changes the clock system 🤣 the **** even sleeps with one eye open out the cat flap…. Hugely intelligent and comes out on the deer a lot with me, but…. You have to get the training right, and they don’t do well with long rest periods, like lots of mental and physical stimulation, and if you get the training wrong, in the wrong hands they are a total nightmare.

Then you have your pointer breeds, gwp, GSP, but they have never really been for me.

I’ve seen too many nervous vizlas so that puts me off those.
I’m also not a spaniel person, I can appreciate what they are and can do, just not for me.
 
I’m also not a spaniel person,
just not for me.
Funny your choices & views are similar to mine, but when I wanted a small gundog that would be with me all the time and live in at night I opted for a small cocker, she is the first spaniel I have ever owned, always had Labs & crosses before, with a handful of working terriers over the decades, the little Cocker is a gem, easy to train and a good little worker, nothing like the torture I thought I was letting myself in for.
 
I've had Cockers, Labs, HWV and now a GWP. The GWP is only just two years old, so still on probation, but here are my thoughts.

The Cocker was a great dog. Far too intelligent for his own good, a real character. Naughty, cheeky, full of fun. Worked well walked up, beating, on the duck. Hated the peg, enjoyed being out on the deer but you had to watch the little bugger. As he got older he started going a bit self employed which meant going back to basics on a regular basis. Just a sign of the intelligence of the breed I think.

The labs are easy. Very trainable, behave impeccably, are very capable, will sit on a peg, retrieve, and if you start them early will track pretty efficiently. Reliable but the are a bit boring...:coat:

The HWV was amazing. I lost him 2 years ago. The best dog I've had. I love my walked up shooting and to shoot birds over your own dog at point is a fantastic experience. He would point deer as well, a long way out, he was better than a thermal if you put him in the right place (downwind). Changed my way of stalking, less reliant on the bins and more focussed on the dog and his senses. He got me a lot of deer over his lifetime. The downside was that he was a nervous dog, which sometimes came out in the form of aggression towards other dogs or strangers. Never to the point of biting but he made a lot of noise. Hated cyclists and anyone with a hat on for some reason. He also hated the rain. Super easy to train, rarely had to tell him twice.

When I changed this time I wanted all the good traits of the HWV but a dog that was more confident and more hardy, so I went GWP. I got what I wanted, but in spades. He's been out with me on the deer since 9 months, but it's a bit like stalking with Tigger at the moment. Just too over excited about everything. I'm told by those that know he will calm down between 3 and 4 years old. What he's really good at is walked up grouse. He covers the ground and points much better than the HWV. This year we've done 11 days pointing training on the moors and a walked up day in August when I shot a brace over him for the first time. He was close to perfect. We've worked for other guns shooting over him too and all comment on just how good he is. We did two days grouse counting in July and I walked 12km each day - I suspect he was doing 60km a day quartering 150m either side of me - and he still wasn't tired in the evening. I think when he matures a bit he will be better than the HWV at everything, but it will have taken a lot more work and patience to get there. The prey drive is off the scale and I have had to do a lot of work to keep him off the sheep - and still don't trust him entirely. He's a big strong dog, 35kg of muscle - the HWV was 26kg.

And neither the HWV or the GWP cope well with being kennelled. They are both like velcro, have to be with you all the time.

If I was to liken them to cars I would say the Cocker was a hot hatch, the Lab a family estate, the HWV is a Mercedes and the GWP is a bit like driving a Ferrari. All very different, all good at what they do, just depends on what YOU want.

I love the challenge of the GWP and I do think if I get it right he will be the best of the bunch, but I might go back to the HWV next time as I don't think I will have the patience to do another GWP. Time will tell.
 
GWP or a GWP x Lab everytime.... once you get past the first 2 years it all changes, just put the effort into the training. Trust the dogs nose more than what you think is right as the dog will always prove you wrong!! .....Oh and don't forget the garmin collar as it will bugger off or find that runner well out of sight!

I like to have mine also focus on a ball to retrieve. As this gives them an off switch to working and an instant reward if required/during training.
 
Cheers for all the in depth replies guys, really appreciated.

I would love a malinois, confident it'd be ideal. Only thing putting me off (and only partly in jest) is I think dog would genuinely be more intelligent than me!!!

@wag that's a tremendous offer thank you!
 
I used to be on the committee for the NW GSP club, however I run Weimeraners. I would suggest that you get to a HPR group working test, field trial or even training day and watch the dogs, chat to the handlers. Good luck
 
You get good and bad in all, do your research, if you’re out in all weathers ideally you want a rough coated dog that will fair better in bad weather, GWP really aren’t for the fair hearted and probably will be one of the hardest dogs you can train but if you get it right you won’t ever have anything else with you, there’s Korthals griffons as well that have more coat than a wirehair so will fair better in the harsh weather and they can do it all again with the right training, with regards to sheep if you expose them to it from day 1 they won’t know any difference, wirehair vizslas I would say are softer than a GWP and a Korthals these just seem to have a bit more about them and look more driven when quartering and running, be very selective who you get it from, but it’s the same with any dog there aren’t many I would have a GWP from over here if I’m honest watered down rubbish or glorified bird dogs not necessarily used for what they were intended to be used for, but ultimately it’s down what you want, just expose it to everything you want it to get use to as early as possible early exposure is important
 
If you’re up to the training aspects then get-a GWP, great family dog and as said earlier you will struggle to tire it out. Just back in from 4 hours on the hill and happy to lay in front of the fire. If you want a dog who will be by your side all day then be prepared for the separation anxiety that goes with it. ( whining to be with you). I’ve had a vizla short coat who felt the cold and a Brittany who was too birdie to use on deer, she came from a falconry background and would not retrieve . If you can get the right dog you won’t regret the choice .
 

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That's no life for any dog, let alone something as bright as a Malinois. I was amazed at how bright my friend's dog is, it seems as if every time I see her she has picked up her training another notch.
An old hunting pal is a dog handler in the police force, his new dog is also a Mally, he can't speak highly enough about them, his first two police dogs were Ally's.
Heard similar stories up north
 
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