HSE Lead restriction extension
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REACH Independent Scientific Expert Panel (RISEP)
Prof Green and Prof Pain as members are not independent but authors of reports being used as part of the scientific data to ban lead.
Don’t see anybody from BASC on the list?
Prof Green and Prof Pain as members are not independent but authors of reports being used as part of the scientific data to ban lead.
Don’t see anybody from BASC on the list?
timbrayford
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Excellent, remember the damage that former BASC CEO John Swift did to shooting interests on the LAG? BASC rewarded him by making him an honorary life member! In any case the whole lead projectile issue appears to have been hijacked by people promoting ballistically inferior steel shot. It will be interesting to see if the HSE investigated my concerns about their lack of scientific study in respect of plated shot which appears to have never been scrutinised anywhere.REACH Independent Scientific Expert Panel (RISEP)
Prof Green and Prof Pain as members are not independent but authors of reports being used as part of the scientific data to ban lead.
Don’t see anybody from BASC on the list?
stephen quinn
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Lord derbys estate shoot banned lead shot and were very strict about it but very soon reversed there decision because of two many birds wounded
Smellydog
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Bureaucratic fixing. An all time tradition of succession after succession of governmental down trodding.
Until I see items on the news of definite cases of acute lead poisoning accelerating past war reports, murdering, beating, economic collapse, increasing cancer rates, Alzheimer's and other world nonsense I'm going to continue using lead chance what any other expert tries to force upon me.
Until I see items on the news of definite cases of acute lead poisoning accelerating past war reports, murdering, beating, economic collapse, increasing cancer rates, Alzheimer's and other world nonsense I'm going to continue using lead chance what any other expert tries to force upon me.
They need to revise their drives , regards range and buy faster steel
Bo Diddley
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Problem solved in a jiffy
Make a few hills lower, raise a few valley floors, slow the pheasants down a bit. Simples
if only it was that simple, I know buy a ferrari
Having shot many Geese and a fair few foxes with steel shot without any drama and killed a good few pheasant , crows and I can attest that it works very very well . There is only one thing it wont do and that is get extra birds down from stray pellets way off where the rest went .Make a few hills lower, raise a few valley floors, slow the pheasants down a bit. Simples
If you want to shoot stuff further way than lead can be truly effected use Heavy shot ! Folks are using 410 and 20 bores with the stuff on the foreshore not on teal but Pinks and Graylag, Canadas. My daughter was dropping geese on the foreshore at 14 with a 20 bore and steel , not ideal for geese but shooting at the head and neck they work, Ducks no issue at all !
Catch up really good steel ammo has been around a decade plus now .
My longest shotgun fox was with steel
What does it not do in my experience is reward a bad shot with a single flier that flew off its own way and nobbled a lucky fluke
Oh downside is steel ricochets and can really hurt when it comes off trees and such , easy enough to blind someone
Because if we say pulled out a total reprieve next week , it would be a stick to beat us with at every bend in the road .
It is also in my experience has a very much louder report, which could become a significant problem for clay grounds.
RJD
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My conclusion so far is that Steel shot is horrible, dreadfully loud, kicks like a donkey and is no way near as mortally effective as lead even in HP, it also scatters plastic around as the biodegradable wads do just that, meaning the the cartridges have limited shelf life as they break down don’t work propel the shot.
Also the V1 game bore dark gold was massively over pressure and has destroyed several guns including ripple in beretta hp proofed chambers.
I’ve yet to try the Hull option but will do this season.
However it’s seems to be a way to make people buy new guns.
Also the V1 game bore dark gold was massively over pressure and has destroyed several guns including ripple in beretta hp proofed chambers.
I’ve yet to try the Hull option but will do this season.
However it’s seems to be a way to make people buy new guns.
Bowland Blades, I am in full agreement with you, we should not pull out of the steel shot process now. My point is that we should not be in the current situation in the first place. For instance, the RAC and the AA have not "volunteered" motorists to a 20 mph speed limit in towns with immediate effect.
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