Hunting Reserve for the Natives.

An Taín Hunting Outfitter

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I was on a hunt yesterday with a good friend and went through 3 blizzards, seeing several deer and ending in a 3 mile hard drag through bogland up to our knees, snow drifts and thick forest. Friendships were forged yesterday not only between me and my buddy but having got an 8 Point Sika all down to my Bavarian Scenthound it was classed as an epic hunt.

So it got me thinking.....

When we think of the native tribes of Amur, Americas, Nepal and PNG we know all about the international respect for their right to hunt. The world would never deprive them off that right, in fact this right could be considered sacred.

I honestly believe that as Natives of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales we have that same right. I know that we do and that this is called an FAC (closed/open ticket) but I mean greater than that. I mean in a way which we have an international recognition to hunting which is as sacred to us as it is many Native American tribes. I would also like to elaborate by bringing a twist to this post which I ask anyone replying to it to answer respectfully, even if they don't agree.

How many users on this 'connect' with nature during a hunt?

During the hunt yesterday we pushed on through adverse weather conditions and both the body and mind reached a rare level of fatigue. We stopped when the sun came out resting under a hawthorn tree beside a mountain stream and whispering to eachother over a cup of tea agreed that we would keep going. During a moments silence we didn't realise at the time that each of us was praying to nature asking for a successful hunt. We only found this out when we were driving home.

I honestly believe that having got refuelled and being silent we were letting nature accept our presence around us. The Bullfinches lighted above us into the tree after we sat there for 15mins, the ravens landed beside us and 2 red squirrels climbed along the bow over our heads chattering away. We were reconnecting with nature.

When we got up and walked along the forest edge we felt different. I don't mean just recharged. The feeling was different. As though we knew we were going to be successful. It was like we were now waiting for nature to present a deer as an offering and we would have that window of opportunity which would mean success or not. As we walked into a small covey of 4 massive Scots pines Sika hinds started calling from in the forest where the dog was working slowly. From about 120m away a huge 8 point Sika stag stalked out of the forest, head held high with the darkest mane against the grass and pine backdrop. We had reconnected with nature, we had stopped amidst the pines before the hinds called sensing deer and nature offered us a stag. Our minds had completely tuned in as predators and in a sacred way as natives of the land we were hunting.

The shot placement was perfect. A heart shot which dropped the stag immediately, which says it all as Sika are as tough as they get.

When we got to the stag and checked he was gone we immediately plucked heather and placing it in his mouth knelt over him in reverence, thanking him and nature for offering him to us.

Every piece of him will be used:

Blood collected and hoofs to be used for future tracking training
Hide being cured
Brain being used for tanning solution
Head and antlers being prepared for the wall
Fur for flytying - sedgehogs to catch monster browns next summer
liver and kidneys straight into ziplock bags for the hunters first meal
Intestines being kept for sausages but all other offal offered to the dog and nature on-site
Bones and scrap meat for the dog
All other meat to be given to family for Christmas

We collected Rowan and the last remaining bilberries on the way back to make jelly for the venison. The same berry ate by this majestic stag.

So what I am just trying to say is are there anyone on here who believe a deer is more than just a random hunt. Are there stalkers here who honour the spiritual side of hunting, can share a similar experience in connecting with nature which led to success and who place the last meal in the deer's mouth honouring him before the gralloch?

This is him below. He was the king of that wood and is so special I would like to share him with you all.

Respect.

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Nice thoughts, but I think that the rigmarole and pomposity attached to certain aspects of "hunting" in the UK (eg. formal driven game shooting) have scotched any chance of the general public here ever being prepared to accept any form of hunting as a historical and cultural right.
 
Nice thoughts, but I think that the rigmarole and pomposity attached to certain aspects of "hunting" in the UK (eg. formal driven game shooting) have scotched any chance of the general public here ever being prepared to accept any form of hunting as a historical and cultural right.


I absolutely love the "Ceremonial" side of the German & other European hunts, If I ever fail to connect with nature, I'll pack it in.
 
I have experienced what you describe a couple of times whilst tracking and spotting deer. At the time I had no intention of hunting, I was just enjoying the stalk, the fieldcraft and the occasional success in getting within a few yards of some wild deer. So I can relate to what you are saying about those moments when things change and for a while it feels like you are part of the forest, not just passing through it.

That is what has led me to the hunting, and that is what motivates me.
 
I agree, and if I ever fail to connect with nature I also will pack it in. I love seeing ravens soaring above the hills expectant, kestrels hunting nearby. Getting into a deer with my dog, crawling through mud, grass and moss, watching it, sometimes for an hour to get the best shot that I am happy with.

Respect to you, the deer we hunt, and the woods and hills we hunt in.
 
Not quite as spiritual as you, but I do feel many of your sentiments. Unfortunately many hundreds of years have gone by since we natives had the freedom to hunt. Of course some argue that we have the right to do so now, but that is the problem. Rights are granted by others which profess to be of higher standing than those subjects who then use the right. Although I feel that as a hunter, which is part of my nature rather than something I choose (I have an unshakable desire to hunt) I should be able to exercise my will and hunt. However in a land which is "owned" by people and Governed by others that is not possible. So I have to adapt a little. Fit in with the social structure and earn money to then allow me to exercise my right to hunt. I don't like the situation but there is no way to change it. Just make the system work in my favour as often as possible. As for being connected to my surroundings, that to me is just a natural thing. I don't re-connect as I am never disconnected.
Glad you had such a great hunt. It is that which makes it all the more enjoyable.
 
I also recently found out that deer lie on natural lay lines, energy lines, which makes me think there is a special connection.
I watched an interesting program about this some years ago. Following whitetail deer in USA. they followed lay lines on their migration, and due to modern development this brought them in to conflict with roads and houses etc. Was an interesting bit of research.
 
Not quite as spiritual as you, but I do feel many of your sentiments. Unfortunately many hundreds of years have gone by since we natives had the freedom to hunt. Of course some argue that we have the right to do so now, but that is the problem. Rights are granted by others which profess to be of higher standing than those subjects who then use the right. Although I feel that as a hunter, which is part of my nature rather than something I choose (I have an unshakable desire to hunt) I should be able to exercise my will and hunt. However in a land which is "owned" by people and Governed by others that is not possible. So I have to adapt a little. Fit in with the social structure and earn money to then allow me to exercise my right to hunt. I don't like the situation but there is no way to change it. Just make the system work in my favour as often as possible. As for being connected to my surroundings, that to me is just a natural thing. I don't re-connect as I am never disconnected.
Glad you had such a great hunt. It is that which makes it all the more enjoyable.

Sums up everything id say, I'm at home when out walking through valleys or crawling through long grass to get to my quarry. If I don't feel that little spark of happiness when I'm out it's time I find something else. Just sit there watching, listening and enjoying the company nature provides!
 
I honestly believe that as Natives of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales we have that same right. I know that we do and that this is called an FAC (closed/open ticket) but I mean greater than that. I mean in a way which we have an international recognition to hunting which is as sacred to us as it is many Native American tribes. I would also like to elaborate by bringing a twist to this post which I ask anyone replying to it to answer respectfully, even if they don't agree.

How many users on this 'connect' with nature during a hunt?

Respect.

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I agree 100%

If football may be referred to as a “religion” by those so enthused here in the UK I see no reason why hunting with a rifle should not be afforded any less respect and access as I cannot think of another activity with the potential to so prompt one’s connection with the great outdoors; the creatures we share the woods & meadows with and our struggle to understand our purpose on this planet.

Richard Jefferies has been called many things for the content of one very particular small book that I’m sure you’re all aware of but one thing he cannot be accused of is reverting to other than a whole-hearted engagement with nature to give voice to his believe in and desire to attain a “soul life”.

The other good news is there’s no bar to connecting with stalking as you describe if you own a rifle given of a synthetic stock or even a Blaser label!!

All the best

K
 
I think we have failed to explore the spiritual side of hunting for a while in the UK. It has been tied in the national mind to either privilege or to agriculture and food production and while these two things have great weight, the hunter's personal experience and his connection to the place and the creatures is seldom explored as much as it could be. I think hunters might be received by more sympathy by the average metropolitan Guardian reader if this were so.

Most trendy metropolitan liberals will be very happy to think that native peoples in far flung places have hunting reserves where they can hunt out of season using any methods they like (whether they fit with modern animal welfare ideas or not) and experience their spiritual connection with the land. They will also say that we as a people should be more spiritual. Sadly they will not as yet connect up the dots and see that we as a people can have a spiritual experience hunting in the lands of our birth as our fore fathers did too.
 
Been doing a bit of digging on this. In England there were more rights, to wood, pannage, grazing etc that still exist in a few places (New Forest), but I don't think hunting was ever a right unless born with a silver spoon. King Henry III brought in the Charter of the Forest, clause 10 repealed the b@stard Norman law that saw those taking deer executed or mutilated: Charter of the Forest - Wikipedia

The Long Affray by Harry Hopkins is an interesting insight into what happened to those 'natives' who wanted a right to hunt: Two centuries of conflict in rural England.

Scotland is interesting, in the Highlands there was an unwritten understanding that locals could take a beast from the hill and fish from the river/loch. I doubt the laird, factors and the law would see it like this. They certainly don't now. It would be great to know more of the culture and history of this in Scotland? Pre Highland clearances was it all harmony where crofters and clansmen could help themselves to what they wanted? Or was it reserved for the clan chief?
 
Hayduke, take a look at "The Wild Red Deer of Scotland" by Allan Gordon Cameron. I think it was £3.99 for the Kindle version. The first couple of chapters have some great info and detail on the history of stalking in Scotland.
 
Thankyou for writing that story it was brilliantly written i almost felt like I was there and feel exactly the same about hunting.
 
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