I Killed Bambi: describing Stalking to hipsters

Here's a piece I wrote for Sabotage Times which I hope gives a worthwhile introduction to stalking.

I Killed Bambi – Foodie Turns Hunter

Some flavours ask a little more of the bon viveur than a trip to Tesco’s or the pop-up food courts of Dalston.

It’s dawn, the first Saturday in August, the start of the Fallow buck season. I’m sitting with a lawyer in a metal chair ten feet off the ground with a rifle across my lap.
As a culture we’re pretty strange in our dealings with animals. Some animals we torture, wrap in plastic, and eat, some animals we Disney-fiy imagining them to have morals and emotions that match our own.
Sanitised to abstraction those two for a fiver chickens and meatballs of more than one animal – sometimes more than one species – can only be as cheap as they are if a living thing is reduced to a commodity, one that is moved through the process with as much haste and as little interaction as possible.

The lawyer comes from a family of hunters, ‘home’ is a farm in Ethiopia; his dad hunts, his uncles and cousins hunt. During the week he works 14 hour days in the city. In the early hours of Saturday morning while his colleagues are staggering home from the lapdancing bars he’s on the road for the 100 mile drive to an estate in the country he has leased to shoot deer on.
After a few years as a vegetarian I started to eat meat again, while my reasons for being vegetarian were largely about the assumed health benefits for me, my renewed interest in meat eating made me question the morality of eating meat from the industrialised food chain. If I were to eat an animal perhaps I owed it to the animal to kill it myself and to eat all of it, from nose to tail. I’m a novice hunter, I didn’t start shooting my own dinner until I was in my mid thirties and still have a lot to learn.

In our highseat we sit and marvel at the dawn chorus, a bat swoops past and somewhere nearby a woodpecker excavates his breakfast from under the bark of a tree. Our seat is positioned to overlook the spot where four ‘rides’ or wide pathways through the woodland intersect, the perfect place for the deer to browse the new growth where the trees have been cut back, and to keep a look out for predators. This is where the magic happens.
Fallow deer were indigenous to these islands; hunted to extinction in pre history, and reintroduced by the Romans, they flourish on the abundant foodstuffs provided by modern farming. So much so that there are now more deer in the UK than at any time since William the ******* landed in Hastings. William kept all the deer for himself and his acolytes, no Saxon was permitted to take one. Anyone caught ‘red-handed’ with the blood of a newly killed deer was marched to the gallows as an example to his neighbours.
At this time of year the deer are at the peak of condition, with all that barley to eat the living is easy, as the summer ends they’ll have to work harder for every calorie. It’s the only time of year the deer will have a layer of fat under their skin and kidneys encased in caul-fat. By the new-year the deer will be lean, the lustre will have left their coats.
Suddenly as if teleported in, a Doe appears with this years fawns following her, she catches a hint of us on the breeze but unable to see or hear us, rather than panic and run; she wanders away down the ride, looking back every few steps, trying to confirm her suspicions, still unsure what unconscious cue she’s responding to.
The sun breaks the treeline and another family group rocks up, this time a doe and fawn are followed by a Pricket, last years child now with the single pronged antlers of his ‘teenage’ year. He pauses to gnaw at the tender shoots of a coppiced hazel. At last the opportunity has presented itself; I set the scopes crosshairs on the space just behind his shoulder and slowly squeeze the trigger, as gently as possible adding more pressure until the trigger breaks like a champagne glass snapping in my hand. My concentration is so complete I don’t even hear the bang. A hole the size of a 5p piece appears just behind the pricket’s shoulder, his legs buckle and then straighten. Silently he stumbles a couple of steps and slumps to the floor. The bullet had killed him before the bang reached his ears.
Youtube is full of redneck hunting videos, where the hunters whoop and cheer, all high-fives and a pounding metal soundtrack. I prefer the more sombre tradition where a couple of fronds of vegetation are put into the animals mouth, a last supper, a benediction to see him on his way, some thanks that acknowledge that he has died so we might live and a quiet moment that serves as a reminder that, death is not to be caused lightly, even that the resource of deer in those woods was not to be over used. Like any funeral these traditions are more about the living than the dead.
For me the moment is still, the calm in the eye of the storm that lead us here; the days on the rifle range - working on the accuracy needed for the immediate one-shot kill, evenings sharpening a hunting knife until it’s sharper than a razorblade, and the weekends of practice-stalks, being busted trying to get close to unsuspecting deer. Now the shark is jumped, its all hard work from here on in. After the ‘Gralloch’ or gutting in the field we’ll drag him to the truck and let him cool in a chiller before taking him back home where I cut him into steaks, stews and burgers. Sixty Five portions of meat, a terrene of Pate from his liver, and a breakfast of his Kidneys.
The first cut is above the deer’s solar plexus, his blood is still under some pressure and pumps out for a few seconds pooling on the grass, I heave the stomach onto the ground, steam rises from the cavity and the lawyer reaches in to lift the still quivering liver away from the other offal.Slicing off a hunk he offers it to me on the blade of his knife “in my family we always eat a bit of the liver at the kill site”. It melts in my mouth, woodland sashimi and honesty. A taste you can’t get anywhere else.
You can read it on Sab Times HERE

And no i didn't submit the picture of a Whitetail that appears at the top of the article, and the editor changed the title
 
I did not say you were a vegan nut job.
Just that what you are saying is not true.
Please do tell us that your industrial knowledge of livestock production is not being based upon seeing the small sight you have seen,animals are not tortured in heavily intensified systems in the UK.
The UK is heavily regulated to give the consumer(you)peace of mind to where your food comes from.
It is very good that you have concerns about where the food you eat comes from,it's a great pity more were not like you.:thumb:
Tell me the suffering that the Free range layers suffers please....and was that an approved and certified free range layer farm....ie who certified and regulated it?
Farmers will find faith in the Governments labelling scheme.The amount of regulation in the industry is enormous compared to other countries.
If people have NO knowledge of an industry how can they wax lyrical about that industry.
PETA/Compassion in World farming,like your good self Suburban Bushwhacker,do tend to make things a whole lot worse than they actually are,why?
It suits their needs without the facts and they love the furry little animals being all cute and cuddly;)
Just because people say a thing does not make it true,especially when they are without knowledge of the industries they try to blacken.
Like I say,very well written apart from the diatribe about intensive farming.

PS-I forgot to add-you show your lack of knowledge of an industry as you state Free Range layers(egg birds)are there to produce meat-SW you are sadly not knowledgable about what you are attempting to attack.Come back once you've read up on an industry you know nothing about-like Jimo you do not know which livestock production system I am in either but tar all farmers with the same brush.
Torture indeed........
 
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Well here we go.
What an interesting post written so eloquently, by a well educated , well read scholar, unlike me sadly, to the eternal shame of the Sherman Tanker's who I believe failed me miserably during my education or lack of it,there fault not mine !.
So although interesting, and well written , I fail to see the point ? it to me looks like the OP just want's to prove his mastery of the pen and the written word. Please don't take offence, with your skill you are a master or Jedi wordsmith , and I am unworthy to challenge your amazing literary talent . That said this is the SD and as such a home for people who stalk, shoot , fish , have dogs ,etc if you have some kind of hang up, all I can say is get over it your fabulous talent is wasted on the likes of me. I also thought the post was rubbish actually, sorry if I am just the odd one out.
 
Oh dear where do I start?


"Yes even though I have never heard of you the piece I wrote was a personal attack on you and everything you hold dear"

Does that included my family and living and working in the countryside?
You don't even know what livestock I keep let alone my welfare standards but you criticise based only what you have read and very little personal experience.

I could try to change your mind by discussion but I fear it wouldn't work because I have never come across any one with such a blinkerd view of livestock farming. However if you have an open mind and a genuine interest in animal welfare please have a look at
http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=56

and look at the Animal Cognition and awareness section, in particular the "five freedom folly" paper.

It was a shame you ruined a well written article with the choice of one word.

Jim
 
Wolverine

While you did not use the words "Vegan Nut-Job" you did, in my understanding, say that I was using the language of PETA - which having met a few PETA devotees over the years in my mind is tantamount to the same.:lol:

PETA/vegetarian/Compassion in World Farming language spread through it for no reason.

You raise a good point about the extent of my experience of farming. I saw the chicken farm i mention while in the company of a gamekeeper and sometime farmer who pointed out to me that the barn was small in comparison to the number of birds, his point was that the regulation of the 'free range' definition was inadequate. I wasn't as clear as i might have been in describing the birds as meat, of course they will be layers first and then sold as meat.

I can think of another couple of industries whose members believe themselves to be highly regulated, finance and pharmaceutical, in both cases that regulation is routinely flouted and the public are not protected from the profit motive being held a lot higher than the well being of the customer.
Living in the city I am offered food from a wide catchment area, the shelves of the supermarket at the end of my street are as likely to hold meat from your neck of the woods as they are to have meat from Thailand. Nice place but I think anyone who has been there or even watched TV programs about the place will agree that the Thai farm inspector is likely to be 'influenced' to give a clean bill of health to any site he inspects. Part of my concern about the food I eat is prompted by this confluence.

I wrote the piece not as an attack on UK farmers but as a window onto my solution to the these concerns, I wanted to frame the story in a way that would start with a match to the concerns of a hipster audience. The Sab Times reader I imagine will have been exposed both to the propaganda of PETA, and to the countryside PR of hugh fearlessly eats-it-all. Hugh seems a friendly and enthusiastic chap, PETA are very talented at marketing their point of view, both are 'other' to the experience of the audience they are talking to. None of us can ever know 'other' we can only know our imaginings of the people that comprise that imagined group.

The best chance I can see to influence these people towards a point of view, that i assume we broadly share, is to start the conversation from common ground before offering wild food as a solution as opposed faux-vegetarianism and veganism which are the solutions offered by PETA.
The public distrust men with guns, prickly and defensive [BASC and the countryside alliance here and the NRA on the other side of the pond] aint going to sell anything to anyone, the acquisition of wild food actually seems to go a long way towards moving hunters away from 'sadists' and towards the far more acceptable 'foodies'. If you're interested in seeing this played out in practice i'd like to recommend the Blog of Hank Shaw, who is an american equivalent to Hugh FW. The comments section of his posts are often populated by people who, to their surprise, are thinking again about hunting. Interesting stuff.

Regards
SBW

PS its worth mentioning that my original title for the piece was 'I Killed Bambi – Foodie Turns Hunter' but the editor's decision is final.
 
Wolverine While you did not use the words "Vegan Nut-Job" you did, in my understanding, say that I was using the language of PETA - which having met a few PETA devotees over the years in my mind is tantamount to the same.:lol:
Torture is definitely the language of PETA.So perhaps by your own admission above,you maybe are a "Vegan Nut-Job":D
You raise a good point about the extent of my experience of farming. I saw the chicken farm i mention while in the company of a gamekeeper and sometime farmer who pointed out to me that the barn was small in comparison to the number of birds, his point was that the regulation of the 'free range' definition was inadequate.
Which regulatory body was it that oversaw the farm?
By your non-answer,I'd presume none.

I wasn't as clear as i might have been in describing the birds as meat, of course they will be layers first and then sold as meat.
Correct......for dog food and pies etc.....NOT AS FREE RANGE CHICKEN-get your facts correct SBW.
I can think of another couple of industries whose members believe themselves to be highly regulated, finance and pharmaceutical, in both cases that regulation is routinely flouted and the public are not protected from the profit motive being held a lot higher than the well being of the customer.
Correct again-journalism one of them.From scribes with no knowledge of what they are writing about.
Living in the city I am offered food from a wide catchment area, the shelves of the supermarket at the end of my street are as likely to hold meat from your neck of the woods as they are to have meat from Thailand. Nice place but I think anyone who has been there or even watched TV programs about the place will agree that the Thai farm inspector is likely to be 'influenced' to give a clean bill of health to any site he inspects. Part of my concern about the food I eat is prompted by this confluence.
We in the UK are not staying in Thailand.
I wrote the piece not as an attack on UK farmers but as a window onto my solution to the these concerns, I wanted to frame the story in a way that would start with a match to the concerns of a hipster audience.
Apologise then for trying to compare deer stalking to livestock industry that is torture to the animals......that is what you attempted to do......
I do not pheasant shoot,I would never attack pheasant shooting in the same manner you have attacked farming......I presume from your point of view commercial pheasant shoots are wrong as well?

The Sab Times reader I imagine will have been exposed both to the propaganda of PETA, and to the countryside PR of hugh fearlessly eats-it-all. Hugh seems a friendly and enthusiastic chap, PETA are very talented at marketing their point of view, both are 'other' to the experience of the audience they are talking to. None of us can ever know 'other' we can only know our imaginings of the people that comprise that imagined group. The best chance I can see to influence these people towards a point of view, that i assume we broadly share, is to start the conversation from common ground before offering wild food as a solution as opposed faux-vegetarianism and veganism which are the solutions offered by PETA.
Wild food is perfect.....how many in the inner city can get out stalking like you did?
Therefore the masses are fed by farmers-not us stalkers.....so again perhaps you should think before you type.

The public distrust men with guns, prickly and defensive [BASC and the countryside alliance here and the NRA on the other side of the pond] aint going to sell anything to anyone, the acquisition of wild food actually seems to go a long way towards moving hunters away from 'sadists' and towards the far more acceptable 'foodies'. If you're interested in seeing this played out in practice i'd like to recommend the Blog of Hank Shaw, who is an american equivalent to Hugh FW. The comments section of his posts are often populated by people who, to their surprise, are thinking again about hunting. Interesting stuff.
I will indeed have a look.,the public distrust men with guns-definitely.
Farmers distrust language about their industry that journalists portray as "torture" even when said journalist has NO knowledge of said industry.

Regards SBW PS its worth mentioning that my original title for the piece was 'I Killed Bambi – Foodie Turns Hunter' but the editor's decision is final.
So,are you saying editor edited your piece and added the incorrect pieces about farming?

Believe me when I say the regulatory bodies within the food industry regulate tightly to the standards required......we in the UK are far and above the highest regulated farming community in the world.......hold on a minute-so is the deerstalking
:D
 
Very well written but knowing some farmers myself which take a lot of pride in husbandry I can see how the comment riled. Having said that a lot of 'blood sports' most enthusiastic adversaries are meat eating, leather wearing, cosmetic slapping urban dwellers in total ignorance of how hypocritical they are and need a reality check even if it does draw an unfair comparison.
 
Wolverine

I couldn't figure out how to make the formatting palette include quotes of quotes, so I've answered your points in order.

If you wish to characterise my concerns as those of a nut-job that is of course your prerogative, please don't call me a vegan:D

The barn was in scotland, I didn't stop to ask who the regulatory body was - I was afraid an angry man would shout at me

What those particular birds were later sold as is unknown. To both of us

I'll have you know that I am the world's leading expert on the subject of my own opinion, the story is about my opinion:D

We may be living in the UK, but the food offered (to me at least) is from further afield than the UK.

Apologise for what? I'm contrasting my concerns about the food chain, with my readers assumed concerns about hunting.
That you don't appear to share those concerns is worrying from a consumers point of view. You have offered your opinion about the extent of the industry's regulation as reassurance, I've told you I'm not reassured.
I reposted the story on SD as I'm interested in the opinions of stalkers as to the way the sport is viewed outside of the sport. By calling the thread 'describing stalking to hipsters' i hoped i'd made that clear.

Interesting side point about commercial pheasant shooting - I regard Pheasant shooting as an inefficient form of farming, not for me but i have no objection to others doing it, have enabled others to do it - beating and pen maintenance. will do so again. I have been to shoots where every bird was treasured, and to shoots where I was advised to 'cut off the breasts and chuck the rest' choices an individual must make for themselves.

The number of city dwellers who go stalking is on the rise - as is the interest in game/wild food, the masses are fed by farmers who are a disparate group; some good, some bad, some in jurisdictions a long way from the regulation you mention. If an industry has nothing to hide...?

I clearly have some knowledge, you seem to feel that knowledge is derived from information that you dispute. That doesn't mean I have NO knowledge.

regarding my PS I forgot that I'd posted to SD from my original copy, on SabTimes the article has a slightly different, and incorrect title. In my PS I was trying to expand on the point that I'm positioning the story to an audience who have an interest that I hope will enable them to rethink their position on hunting. If i was preaching to the converted I would have positioned the piece in a different way.

I've met farmers who routinely kill the animals they eat themselves as they aren't satisfied with the standards of well being and or hygiene offered at a commercial abattoir. It would seem that some farmers share some of my concerns. Your thoughts?


Thanks for your time
SBW
 
@Yokel Matt
Thanks for your kind words and the courtesy of your disagreement.

I was in many ways prompted to write the original piece as a result of being lectured on the evils of bloodsports by people who were simultaneously serving meat whose origins they didn't seem concerned by.
​However well animals are raised there would seem to be evidence both anecdotal and scientific that the main legislated method of dispatch is not as painless as I would hope. I think the comparison was harsh, but not unfair.
 
Wolverine I couldn't figure out how to make the formatting palette include quotes of quotes, so I've answered your points in order.
Ive just figured it out-pure dead brilliant-ain't it.:smug:
If you wish to characterise my concerns as those of a nut-job that is of course your prerogative, please don't call me a vegan:D
Hehehehe-Ok ill be the bigger man and apologise:D
The barn was in scotland, I didn't stop to ask who the regulatory body was - I was afraid an angry man would shout at me
Why would that happen?Were you on a covert mission:rofl:
What those particular birds were later sold as is unknown. To both of us
Those birds,being layers,are a minimum of a year old when slaughtered.Therefore they will not be used as a "Product wrapped in plastic-after having been tortured,of course"
The public wish to keep their teeth.
:norty:
I'll have you know that I am the world's leading expert on the subject of my own opinion, the story is about my opinion:D
You are always allowed an opinion,no matter how wrong/deluded it may be,that is your/my right to have an opinion.
We may be living in the UK, but the food offered (to me at least) is from further afield than the UK.
That is very true-thus why I said in first post-look for the RED tractor logo.:british:
Apologise for what?
Saying livestock in the UK is tortured-when it is patently obvious you have no experience of livestock farming.
I'm contrasting my concerns about the food chain, with my readers assumed concerns about hunting.
That you don't appear to share those concerns is worrying from a consumers point of view.
I do share these concerns,hence why the consumer should buy British.
Do you buy venison from supermarkets?
Where does it come from?

You have offered your opinion about the extent of the industry's regulation as reassurance, I've told you I'm not reassured.
I am not reassured by your own experience of livestock farming-yet you think you can comment on something you have NO knowledge on.Or any experience with.
I reposted the story on SD as I'm interested in the opinions of stalkers as to the way the sport is viewed outside of the sport. By calling the thread 'describing stalking to hipsters' i hoped i'd made that clear. Interesting side point about commercial pheasant shooting - I regard Pheasant shooting as an inefficient form of farming, not for me but i have no objection to others doing it, have enabled others to do it - beating and pen maintenance. will do so again. I have been to shoots where every bird was treasured, and to shoots where I was advised to 'cut off the breasts and chuck the rest' choices an individual must make for themselves.
So pheasant shooting is a type of farming,yet you help on shoots,is this hypocritical?
Would you work on a livestock farm-to gain some experience?

The number of city dwellers who go stalking is on the rise - as is the interest in game/wild food, the masses are fed by farmers who are a disparate group; some good, some bad, some in jurisdictions a long way from the regulation you mention. If an industry has nothing to hide...? I clearly have some knowledge, you seem to feel that knowledge is derived from information that you dispute. That doesn't mean I have NO knowledge.
I agree-good farmers/bad farmers.....you can not tar all with the same brush.
Livestock farming in the UK has nothing to hide at all.No matter how much some would like to think it has.
A little knowledge is often a very dangerous thing.

regarding my PS I forgot that I'd posted to SD from my original copy, on SabTimes the article has a slightly different, and incorrect title. In my PS I was trying to expand on the point that I'm positioning the story to an audience who have an interest that I hope will enable them to rethink their position on hunting. If i was preaching to the converted I would have positioned the piece in a different way. I've met farmers who routinely kill the animals they eat themselves as they aren't satisfied with the standards of well being and or hygiene offered at a commercial abattoir. It would seem that some farmers share some of my concerns. Your thoughts? Thanks for your time SBW
Ahhh,no problem.
A commercial abattoir is not always the nicest way to take an animals life,I'd agree,however,how else do you kill enough meat for everyone,meat where the consumer wants it at a specific price,there is I'm afraid no way around it,is there?
These animals are still treated correctly and with respect.
I would always kill,butcher,cook and eat my own meat if I can/could(i do)unfortunately that is not viable for the majority of people,would you agree?
A very thought provoking thread SBW,as you correctly say-everyone is entitled to their own opinion:tiphat:
 
Very well written but knowing some farmers myself which take a lot of pride in husbandry I can see how the comment riled. Having said that a lot of 'blood sports' most enthusiastic adversaries are meat eating, leather wearing, cosmetic slapping urban dwellers in total ignorance of how hypocritical they are and need a reality check even if it does draw an unfair comparison.
True,very true.....
 
Do you buy venison from supermarkets?
Where does it come from?
Once and it came from NZ, I've not bought any from the supermarket since.

I am not reassured by your own experience of livestock farming-yet you think you can comment on something you have NO knowledge on.Or any experience with.

Yes I do, i also have no experience of the IMF or the way the council allocates funds when the area's schools are in such a shocking state. I'm affected by their outputs so opinions develop, likewise the food chain.


So pheasant shooting is a type of farming,yet you help on shoots,is this hypocritical?
Would you work on a livestock farm-to gain some experience?

It would be hypocritical if I had ever said I oppose farming, and yes I would I love doing new things and cow poo is far far preferable to the kind of work i currently do. :D

I agree-good farmers/bad farmers.....you can not tar all with the same brush.
Livestock farming in the UK has nothing to hide at all.No matter how much some would like to think it has.
A little knowledge is often a very dangerous thing.
While i agree that its 'always' preferable not to make generalisations, insiders will always point to best practice, outsiders will see worst practice and the middle will point to compliance, which may or may not be satisfactory - see banking and the pharma industry.


A commercial abattoir is not always the nicest way to take an animals life,I'd agree,however,how else do you kill enough meat for everyone,meat where the consumer wants it at a specific price,there is I'm afraid no way around it,is there?
These animals are still treated correctly and with respect.
I would always kill,butcher,cook and eat my own meat if I can/could(i do)unfortunately that is not viable for the majority of people,would you agree?

Good so we're broadly in agreement about this bit, just you'd prefer I didn't use the T word, fair enough.

The price the public have come to expect to pay for meat is the driver for the problem, we've seen Hugh FW and Jamie O tell us to 'eat less of better' which strikes me as a bit trite coming from a pair of millionaires. At the other end of the spectrum Jack Monroe who is cooking on a very restricted budget is able to eat very little meat and I dont think its fair or right to tell someone in her position she should eat less. For those of us in the middle of the spectrum the advice is sound but unlikely to be heeded as we've become so accustomed to eating more meat than ever before and paying less for it. My own attempts to live on wild meat have only been a partial success - at the moment we eat mostly venison and rabbit but the GF is spanish so we also eat pork - sometimes the cosseted Jamon Iberico and sometimes cheap stuff reared god knows how or where. So even for someone as lucky/committed as me the ideal is still a fair distance from my day to day practice. Shucks.

There is a way round all this, but I'm not sure we're ready for it. Using scavenged heat from day to day household activities, washing machine,ect it looks like its possible to build an insect farm that would meet our protein needs. I've eaten locusts (flying prawns) and they're pretty good, but if I'm honest with myself i prefer stalking deer and eating venison:D


Keep well
SBW
 
I, too, am a livestock farmer. I'm also a published author and part time journalist, so am reasonably well placed to be critical of both the content and the quality of the opening post.
I could write a magazine article giving the impression that the pikeys who shoot deer at night with rimfire rifles are representative of the stalking population as a whole. It wouldn't exactly endear me to the members of this site, but it would be easy to get it into print - editors would love it, because it's just the sort of thing that sells copy, and the public would believe it because that's what society has taught them to believe.
But it wouldn't be true. There are rogues in all walks of life - farming and fieldsports included - but to tar everyone with the same brush not only risks causing offense, but is downgrading to the author.
Unfortunately the opinions expressed by the OP are a hangover from 40 years ago. The government had, at the time, been instructing farmers to intensify production, in direct response to public demand for cheap, homogenous products. Never mind the quality. However, in the late 1970s / early 80s people began to raise questions about "factory farming" as a method of food production. Some became vegetarian, some (like my parents) bought a plot of land and began to produce their own food, and the organic movement started to take off. And, like any sensible industry, agriculture recognised the shift in public opinion and began to mend its ways. But alas, in the closed minds of some people the old stigma lives on.

The UK livestock industry now operates to the highest welfare standards in the world, with all aspects closely regulated and monitored. If you ever though you had to jump through a lot of hoops to get a FAC, buy a rifle, go out and shoot some innocent wild animal and dish it up for Sunday lunch, then think again! That's a doddle compared with putting a domestic animal into the foodchain!

It's true there are lapses at times, just as there are in the world of stalking, but it remains statistically more likely that you'll be murdered by your family GP than become ill through consuming British beef or lamb (thanks, in part, to the precedent set by Dr Shipman).

Whichever way you look at it, and whatever your personal views, there's no sense in driving a wedge between the different aspects of rural land use. We're all in this together, farmers and sportsmen alike, and we should be guarding each others backs, not stabbing them! The relationship between us should be symbiotic, and we should present a united front against the challenges that face us.
 
I, too, am a livestock farmer. I'm also a published author and part time journalist, so am reasonably well placed to be critical of both the content and the quality of the opening post.
I could write a magazine article giving the impression that the pikeys who shoot deer at night with rimfire rifles are representative of the stalking population as a whole. It wouldn't exactly endear me to the members of this site, but it would be easy to get it into print - editors would love it, because it's just the sort of thing that sells copy, and the public would believe it because that's what society has taught them to believe.
But it wouldn't be true. There are rogues in all walks of life - farming and fieldsports included - but to tar everyone with the same brush not only risks causing offense, but is downgrading to the author.
Unfortunately the opinions expressed by the OP are a hangover from 40 years ago. The government had, at the time, been instructing farmers to intensify production, in direct response to public demand for cheap, homogenous products. Never mind the quality. However, in the late 1970s / early 80s people began to raise questions about "factory farming" as a method of food production. Some became vegetarian, some (like my parents) bought a plot of land and began to produce their own food, and the organic movement started to take off. And, like any sensible industry, agriculture recognised the shift in public opinion and began to mend its ways. But alas, in the closed minds of some people the old stigma lives on.

The UK livestock industry now operates to the highest welfare standards in the world, with all aspects closely regulated and monitored. If you ever though you had to jump through a lot of hoops to get a FAC, buy a rifle, go out and shoot some innocent wild animal and dish it up for Sunday lunch, then think again! That's a doddle compared with putting a domestic animal into the foodchain!

It's true there are lapses at times, just as there are in the world of stalking, but it remains statistically more likely that you'll be murdered by your family GP than become ill through consuming British beef or lamb (thanks, in part, to the precedent set by Dr Shipman).

Whichever way you look at it, and whatever your personal views, there's no sense in driving a wedge between the different aspects of rural land use. We're all in this together, farmers and sportsmen alike, and we should be guarding each others backs, not stabbing them! The relationship between us should be symbiotic, and we should present a united front against the challenges that face us.


:rofl: I hadn't realised I was in such august company
 
To be honest ,as a down to earth type of guy that calls a spade a spade i think the op is just a drama queen looking for attention .The text did nothing to convert the average urban dweller to hunt for his own food ,he tries to belittles his critics and proper fawns over his likers both qualities that show a man for what he is .
 
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