Imagine phasing out lead is the start of a joint fieldsports future-proofing strategy...

Pine Marten

Well-Known Member
Hello everyone.

Because I'm of a generally optimistic disposition, I'm allowing myself to imagine that the recent joint announcement of the intention to phase out lead shot could be, deliberately or not, the start of a joint strategy to reshape fieldsports for the future. Viewed in that context, proactively showing that the shooting community takes its claim to be some of the most active grassroots conservation-minded people in the UK seriously would make sense. But alone, it's far from enough. What else would be in the pipeline? It strikes me that much as I'm famously no fan of Brexit, this could afford us an opportunity given that there can be no more hiding behind the scapegoat of EU directives for anything pertaining to agriculture, potential lead bans, firearms legislation, wildlife legislation, anything really. SO OK, let's imagine that this is a chance to [grit teeth and do the sign to ward off the Evil Eye] "take back control".

I think a key starting point here is that this can't just mean defending things as they are, or trying to make them back into what they used to be (i.e. return to buying an SGC from the Post Office and put all the waders back on the quarry list): it won't wash. And remember, this has to work for us as well as government and civil society at large (barring extremists on all sides who won't budge on anything).

I'm going to start with a sort of improvised SWOT analysis of fieldsports to get the discussion going, from the point of view of all stakeholders. See if that works (non-exhaustive, I'm improvising, please pile in).

STRENGTHS
  • Large number of actively engaged, practical conservationists on the ground.
  • Biodiversity gains in areas managed/used for fieldsports.
  • Pest control.
  • Population control to protect crops/forestry, prevent RTA, overpopulation leading to starvation/disease/animal welfare issues.
  • Healthy source of low-carbon food, short circuit distribution, right on trend.
  • Economic benefits (employment, services around fieldsports, shops, pubs, hotels, kit, vehicles, etc)
  • Many organisations, some well-funded (BASC, CA, etc)

WEAKNESSES
  • Elitist image - only large-scale, commercial shooting visible to most of the general public. What is often called the "Shooting industry" (bleurgh!).
  • Invisibility of most Strengths - General public knows very little of the overall picture, just arguably the worst parts (raptor persecution, excessive breeding of game birds, very exclusive, elitist upper-end of the "industry").
  • Unsustainability of large scale shooting of bred gamebirds potentially unsustainable and damaging to rest of fieldsports.
  • Link between land ownership/occupancy and fieldsports/possession of shooting rights and game is feudal in nature and alienating to non-participants (especially in Scotland).
  • The general public don't eat game much.
  • Some shooters don't eat game much!
  • Economic argument has been focused on too much and on its own is very weak.
  • Completely alien world to the vast majority of the population.
  • Organisations don't work together, given to internal bickering, individually lack scale, prone to division and staying defensive/reactive.
  • Not an issue that wins any votes

OPPORTUNITIES
  • Take advantage of Glorious New Era to proactively shape fieldsports for the future in a way that ultimately is acceptable and beneficial to all.
  • Promote Strengths above to general public, work to eradicate Weaknesses (seems simplistic, I know)
  • Build on Lead issue example to develop ongoing collaboration between organisations
  • Work with angling/forestry/agriculture/wildlife/food/water bodies systematically, showing fieldsports are an integral part of managing the environment
  • Promote food angle more: ultimately, that's the product!

THREATS
  • Vocal, well organised and funded opponents
  • Internal tendency to defensiveness, self-effacement ("Why should I have to justify myself to anyone? Better just keep my head down and carry on quietly.")
  • Fragmented and generally inaudible voice.
  • Fractious organisations.
  • Some internal practices can harm us all.

There, that's just a starter. The key thing is that we don't have numbers, we don't have much of a voice, we're not a vote winner. So everything needs to be done gradually, step by step, through persuasion, collaboration, showing by doing, and like any minority, we will be held to higher standards than the majority. Because people assume whatever the RSPB for instance says is good, and also assume that what we say isn't.

Right. Let's see what happens.
 
Hmmmm I think you’ll find it’s another nail in the coffin of shooting sports I believe in the future private Firearms’s ownership will be banned the way things are heading
 
Christ that’s a sensible post. Pragmatic, and I like the nod to Brexit opportunities (the only ones?! ;)).

You’ve touched on it Re the organisations, under weaknesses, but imho that is a huge one. I’m not a member of BASC, but the way it is run appears amateur at best. I suspect the payroll of those running it is not, however.

As we have seen from Packham et al, PR is a huge (the biggest?) part of this, and shooting organisations are really bad at this - towards the public and - worse!- those that are on their side and pay their memebership fees. Even small things like no consultation with members or any sort of advance notice (even notice!) Re the voluntary stopping of lead use. Or actually having viable alternatives in place straight away would have been great.

To come out of this well I think the shooting fraternity has to employ some top drawer marketing /PR team, as well as chief exec level people. That won’t be cheap, but the alternative is likely an end to shooting as we know it.
 
Christ that’s a sensible post. Pragmatic, and I like the nod to Brexit opportunities (the only ones?! ;)).
Thanks, it cost me a lot to type that, but seriously, how many times have you heard that things can't be done because of the EU? It's always been a transparently lame excuse to hid behind, and now they don't have it anymore. Serve them right.


To come out of this well I think the shooting fraternity has to employ some top drawer marketing /PR team, as well as chief exec level people. That won’t be cheap, but the alternative is likely an end to shooting as we know it.
No, you see, PR and Marketing are useful, but this is down to every single participant. This has to be seen as the grassroots, practical, normal thing that it is. And I'm fed up with research commissioned by GunsOnPegs into how much people spend on shooting a year (average: about £6000, which goes to show that this is not a representative sample at all, although it's fine for the purposes GoP need the results for), or arguing that shooting created 20,000 jobs or whatever. That's peanuts and justifies nothing at all on its own. Drug pushing provides lots of employment too after all.
 
Excellent posts PM. I think if there were more people thinking like you there would be a chance for shooting sports in the UK.
Thanks. Maybe there are! We should ask them. And if that is what's going on, they and all of us should make a big song and dance about it.
 
This has to be seen as the grassroots, practical, normal thing that it is.

I agree with all your post. But this bit is key, the 'has to be seen as'... all very well it being the case, but that's all part of the marketing/PR world (which frankly I detest), getting this "being seen as" across to everyone, no matter what side they are on, or indeed if they aren't on a side. They create the image, they send the message. It sounds like bs but sadly is the world we live in.
 
No, you see, PR and Marketing are useful, but this is down to every single participant. This has to be seen as the grassroots, practical, normal thing that it is.

Agree wholeheartedly. We are all ambassadors for our way of life. We all need to be working to win over those shooting sports detractors where we live and with whom we share social media. It is too easy for WJ, RSPCA and PETA type outfits to tar us all with the same brush if we have lead such discreet lives as to be anonymous to those around us.

This is where the game can change. For several years I have posted the merits of sustainable hunting on FB, for example. In the clubs and communities in which I move I make it clear that I am an ethical hunter and staunch advocate of venison. I give venison harvested to friends freely.

Personally, the most effective tool in the parochial PR tool box is to invite folk round for dinner. Cook up some venison, and discuss its provenance and nutritional benefits. Now your friends have a non-Packham view of wild food harvesting. And, if guests at your table, they already count you as a friend. So the linkage that good-folk-hunt is made. Thereafter they will read strident anti-hunt diatribes with fresh eyes.
 
I'm hoping you are
Hello everyone.

Because I'm of a generally optimistic disposition, I'm allowing myself to imagine that the recent joint announcement of the intention to phase out lead shot could be, deliberately or not, the start of a joint strategy to reshape fieldsports for the future. Viewed in that context, proactively showing that the shooting community takes its claim to be some of the most active grassroots conservation-minded people in the UK seriously would make sense. But alone, it's far from enough. What else would be in the pipeline? It strikes me that much as I'm famously no fan of Brexit, this could afford us an opportunity given that there can be no more hiding behind the scapegoat of EU directives for anything pertaining to agriculture, potential lead bans, firearms legislation, wildlife legislation, anything really. SO OK, let's imagine that this is a chance to [grit teeth and do the sign to ward off the Evil Eye] "take back control".

I think a key starting point here is that this can't just mean defending things as they are, or trying to make them back into what they used to be (i.e. return to buying an SGC from the Post Office and put all the waders back on the quarry list): it won't wash. And remember, this has to work for us as well as government and civil society at large (barring extremists on all sides who won't budge on anything).

I'm going to start with a sort of improvised SWOT analysis of fieldsports to get the discussion going, from the point of view of all stakeholders. See if that works (non-exhaustive, I'm improvising, please pile in).

STRENGTHS
  • Large number of actively engaged, practical conservationists on the ground.
  • Biodiversity gains in areas managed/used for fieldsports.
  • Pest control.
  • Population control to protect crops/forestry, prevent RTA, overpopulation leading to starvation/disease/animal welfare issues.
  • Healthy source of low-carbon food, short circuit distribution, right on trend.
  • Economic benefits (employment, services around fieldsports, shops, pubs, hotels, kit, vehicles, etc)
  • Many organisations, some well-funded (BASC, CA, etc)

WEAKNESSES
  • Elitist image - only large-scale, commercial shooting visible to most of the general public. What is often called the "Shooting industry" (bleurgh!).
  • Invisibility of most Strengths - General public knows very little of the overall picture, just arguably the worst parts (raptor persecution, excessive breeding of game birds, very exclusive, elitist upper-end of the "industry").
  • Unsustainability of large scale shooting of bred gamebirds potentially unsustainable and damaging to rest of fieldsports.
  • Link between land ownership/occupancy and fieldsports/possession of shooting rights and game is feudal in nature and alienating to non-participants (especially in Scotland).
  • The general public don't eat game much.
  • Some shooters don't eat game much!
  • Economic argument has been focused on too much and on its own is very weak.
  • Completely alien world to the vast majority of the population.
  • Organisations don't work together, given to internal bickering, individually lack scale, prone to division and staying defensive/reactive.
  • Not an issue that wins any votes

OPPORTUNITIES
  • Take advantage of Glorious New Era to proactively shape fieldsports for the future in a way that ultimately is acceptable and beneficial to all.
  • Promote Strengths above to general public, work to eradicate Weaknesses (seems simplistic, I know)
  • Build on Lead issue example to develop ongoing collaboration between organisations
  • Work with angling/forestry/agriculture/wildlife/food/water bodies systematically, showing fieldsports are an integral part of managing the environment
  • Promote food angle more: ultimately, that's the product!

THREATS
  • Vocal, well organised and funded opponents
  • Internal tendency to defensiveness, self-effacement ("Why should I have to justify myself to anyone? Better just keep my head down and carry on quietly.")
  • Fragmented and generally inaudible voice.
  • Fractious organisations.
  • Some internal practices can harm us all.

There, that's just a starter. The key thing is that we don't have numbers, we don't have much of a voice, we're not a vote winner. So everything needs to be done gradually, step by step, through persuasion, collaboration, showing by doing, and like any minority, we will be held to higher standards than the majority. Because people assume whatever the RSPB for instance says is good, and also assume that what we say isn't.

Right. Let's see what happens.

With all due respect. I hope one day you can visit a socialist country such as Venezeuela, China or Russia (yes I have visited, I have lived and worked in these countries), not some psuedo socialists such as France or Scotland and then start to think about how good you have it.
 
Two words for the OP

Fat
Chance

No offence intended but this "pre-emption" won't appease or dissuade the antis & "woke": It will only serve to encourage them.
They'll think along the lines of "if they voluntarily do this off their own bat, just think how quickly we'll get everything banned by pushing even harder".
 
Sorry, but the whole point of this post was to propose an alternative, proactive plan, NOT complete capitulation.
No need to apologise , So does this proactive approach include giving up more things ( such as the current lead issue , medical fees etc) ? To me it sounds like appeasement which pretty much amounts to the same thing
 
Although you and I may be divided by our views on Brexit and Marmite I agree with your analysis here PM. I just can't see demanding the right to spray lead round the countryside to be supportable longer term and may serve only to undermine shooting.

P.s I regard your views on Marmite as a greater danger to civil society than your Brexit ones ;)
 
No doubt this thread will run so still time to be proved wrong but for now I will venture the negativity to what is the first constructive and optimistic post about shooting, in an awful long time on this Forum, only serves to demonstrate we are so often the architect of our own downfall.

There is also the singular issue of where is the alternative strategy to PM's wishy-washy hand-wringing Liberal-minded approach to ensuring our way of life has a voice in the 21st Century, and irrispective of the apparent reliance on such being delivered by but one Organisation - namely BASC?

Let's stop naval gazing and move beyond the self-imposed restraints that arise from defeatism, bitterness and capitulation.

K
 
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