In the begining there was...

j0e_bl0ggs

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... a little used .444 Marlin p14. A lightweight woodland stalking rifle.
But now... hmmmmm.... PIGGY gun!

After some thought it needs two little modifications!
1, A sound moderator (Believe me aesthetics do not play a role here, I have tinnitus from years of shooting - it only gets worse, so save the I hate moderators comments, I am the one shooting it!!!!:D)
2, Seeing that the rifle already has Redfield type bases it needs a subtle mod here to enable a scope to red-dot easy change... Think I have cracked that too!!

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Birth of a stainless moderator!
 
Do I understand you correctly Joe - a P14 in .444marlin ? Now that would be an interesting project!
 
Yes - no real problem in obtaining ammo and components for .444 marlin. I'd certainly like to see the photographs joe.
 
That is a thing of beauty! I bet it makes a noise with that brake on, not surprised you would like a moderator! How long is the barrel and how fast is it pushing that .444 bullet? Does it outperform a homeloaded .45-70?
 
One load I had was a 240 grain Norma JSP at 2300fps (hilarious watching doggo tying to find which bit of rabbit to bring home to daddy).
I have never gotten around to chrono the pointy stuff, that will change!
As for comparison between 444 and 45-70, book loads generally finish at 300grain for 444 and start at 300 for the 45-70 - not much to choose between them!
One thing to remember this rifle is not a 'cowboy' gun and will chamber a longer, heavier bullet without encroaching on case volume.
The brake, well, I might have mentioned that I have tinnitus...
To be honest the report is a little shotgun like, not as severe as a big rifle.
Glad I brought it out of hiding now!
 
I built a .444 on a P-14 and another on a #4 Enfield... and another on a 1901 Remington Rolling Block (smokeless model) with a 1:18" twist for 365 grain cast bullets. Great cartridge.

The .444 is not the cartridge the 45-70 is, but it is a darned good one.~Muir
 
Ok...

Please excuse paw prints...
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Winchester P14 Sporterised, Chambered for .444 Marlin.

That is a real beaut of a rifle Joe, from the pictures I certainly wouldn't have recognised it as a P14 even with the ears cut off as the bolt doesn't seem to have the distinctive sweep back which I find quite attractive. Did you do make the stock yourself or did you buy it in? The only thing I don't like about that rifle is the muzzle brake but that's a personal thing. In .444 it must be a very pleasant rifle to shoot but where are the open sights - it deserves a decent set of open sights!

It must be a real pleasure owning something like that which is just a little bit out of the ordinary.
 
That is a real beaut of a rifle Joe, from the pictures I certainly wouldn't have recognised it as a P14 even with the ears cut off as the bolt doesn't seem to have the distinctive sweep back which I find quite attractive. Did you do make the stock yourself or did you buy it in? The only thing I don't like about that rifle is the muzzle brake but that's a personal thing. In .444 it must be a very pleasant rifle to shoot but where are the open sights - it deserves a decent set of open sights!

It must be a real pleasure owning something like that which is just a little bit out of the ordinary.

It is a quite seriously 'sporterised' Winchester p14 action and the bolt handle, shroud etc. have been changed.
I cannot claim any credit for the rifle, I only attempted a couple of subtle things.
It was 'sporterised' and built by Norman Clark in Rugby and is a fine example of his work.
He made the stock, from scratch out of a bit of tree he had hanging around and he also engraved the rifle! (has a nice stag on the floor-plate) The blacking is soooooo....

Muzzle brake was made by me;) in fact it has two, one black and the stainless one that you see (cannot remember where the hell I put the black one!).

Open sights, I do not use them, spoils the lines of a rifle for me. I do not subscribe to the 'backup' argument, I do not practice much with open sights, I do not hunt with open sights therefore do not have the need of open sights!
It usually wore a 6x42 Schmidt & Bender (but I have a 4x36 S&B available for it).

The original purpose was a woodland stalking rifle, ultralight and for close in shooting.
It lived up to expectation, but you know that you can get a little anal about protecting a rifle from the elements and abuse, well now is the time to use it properly!
I have, in the past, offered it for sale a few times even offered to trade it for a .17... no takers, so hell, keep it and use it!

I have designed a solution which involves a one off 'special' Picatinny rail which will mount on the Redfield bases, to take a 'scope or a red-dot sight that can be easily interchanged. Bit of a pig to machine (unusual dimensions) but try and find a steel Picatinny rail in the white without having your pants pulled down, as usual, have to resort to do it yourself!
The action does have a problem in that the spacing of the bases is unusually wide, it really needs extended rings to mount a 'scope comfortably, my new rail should sort the problem out for dual use, if not, The Worshipful Master (he who shall not be named) of the honourable drei-barrelrustynailuseasashovel fraternity AK Grand lodge ;) has kindly helped in acquiring and supplying the extended rings just in case!!!

I understand that you, 8x57, may not like the brake but beauty is in the eye etc.. as for me I really don't like many of the vintage 'agricultural' looking rifles either!
To be honest if it was an original bolt action p14, ears and dog leg bolt, I would not have looked looked at it twice...damn ugly beast if you ask me.
I am not a fan of the Mauser action in general, but at the time that we were discussing the woodland stalking rifle this particular action was available, it would feed the rimmed case had the right bolt face and most importantly did not ass-rape my wallet.

As to my ideal rifle, it would be a smooth, elegant (not fancy) lines, minimal sticky out bits... a la Mannlicher (modern, not old ones).
Hey, wouldn't this be a boring world if we all agreed on aesthetics, each to their own I say!
This rifle works for me, it is a complete hunting 'package' including the pointy bullet swaging, never been sullied with factory ammo!
 
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As you say Joe it's down to personal taste. My own tastes are obviously slightly different to you, for instance I rather like the cranked bolt of the P14, I also like open sights and the older Manlichers. Seeing that rifle reminded me of an offer made to me by a friend who kept a local sports shop. A local farmer had given him an old tatty P14 to dispose of. The friend offered it to me for a fiver but I turned it down. Now if I just had the fore thought or skills to turn it into something that looked half as good as your rifle I would be a verry happy man indeed.

You are going to have to tell us about the bullet swaging process that you use and have hinted at several times.
 
Blast baffle...

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oooooh look at that hole sir!!!!!:D



(Reminds me how much I hate machining stainless)



Support spider and end-caps to go.....
 
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Love those machined parts pictures. :)

You have no idea the level of envy I have to admit to having about your abilities (legal) to make a suppressor whenever you want.

regards,
Paul
 
Quick job this morning, drill and ream the baffle plates for big hole!!!!

Machined the jig yesterday from a moderator part made from aluminium, (kept it from a previous project, knew it would come in handy one day),
to hold the baffle plates. It all runs nice and true...


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oook...real world calls......off to the smoke to look at a job!
 
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