In the begining there was...

[Brithunter]

The reason for the need for the step back rings as your probably aware is the length of the P13 action of which the P-14 is the adaption. It will handle the magnum length cases comfortably. As for interchangable sights myself I would have gone for something like the Leupold lever operated Q/R mounts. One set of bases then a few sets of rings.................................... sorted .

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

The reason for the need for the step back rings as your probably aware is the length of the P13 action of which the P-14 is the adaption. It will handle the magnum length cases comfortably. As for interchangable sights myself I would have gone for something like the Leupold lever operated Q/R mounts. One set of bases then a few sets of rings.................................... sorted .

I have what I have!!! So will adapt accordingly the Redfield type bases are engraved and fitted so do not want to take them off! (Its not a case of liking them), personally I use EAW Apel on all my other rifles, this is the only one with the Leupold/Redfield type base.

 

[Brithunter]

Ahhh that was not mentioned and the photos did not show enough detail to be able to tell.

I cannot fault your choice of Apel.

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Spider nearly complete, still a little heavy, so will 'lighten it ' tomorrow.



Internal screw cut, .6"x24un full form, inner tube spigot is a 'light' press fit (to be fused with Tig on final assembly).
Will check this on the barrel tonight!

 

[gitano]

That thread 0.6"x24TPI doesn't sound 'standard' on 'this side'. If it isn't 'standard' 'over there', did you cut it with a boring bar? I assume if it was 'standard', that you just cut it with a tap. As to the "inner tube fit": Is that to be into the raised flang seen at the top of the threads in the images?

I know it's getting redundant, but "cool".

Regards,
Paul

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

That thread 0.6"x24TPI doesn't sound 'standard' on 'this side'. If it isn't 'standard' 'over there', did you cut it with a boring bar? I assume if it was 'standard', that you just cut it with a tap. As to the "inner tube fit": Is that to be into the raised flang seen at the top of the threads in the images?

I know it's getting redundant, but "cool".

Regards,
Paul

Thread is 'best fit' for barrel diameter, cut with internal boring bar with carbide full form insert, will post pic for you tomorrow.

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Paul, as you posed an interesting question yesterday (I told Paul the thread was a little tight).
The solution to 'picking up' the internal thread was to turn my test thread into a thread 'chaser' using ball nose cutter in the mill, cut the relief, clean, harden and then a touch up sharpen...
Look at the pics and hopefully you get an 'ah-ha' moment (regarding the other tooling we talked about).




Cheers!

 

[gitano]

Not just "ah ha!" but, "Nice!"

Looks like that's going to be one fine moderator. Of course I wouldn't really know because we have to get 'cozy' with local law enforcement AND the FBI AND the BATFE and THEN part with lots of cash if we want one. It's the same as obtaining a machine gun or other "destructive device".

Regards,
Paul

Upon closer inspection, I see that the spider has changed 'patina'. Did you "Casenit".

Paul

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Not just "ah ha!" but, "Nice!"

Looks like that's going to be one fine moderator. Of course I wouldn't really know because we have to get 'cozy' with local law enforcement AND the FBI AND the BATFE and THEN part with lots of cash if we want one. It's the same as obtaining a machine gun or other "destructive device".

Regards,
Paul

Upon closer inspection, I see that the spider has changed 'patina'. Did you "Casenit".

Paul

No need of hardening, was just a quick bead blast!

 

[gitano]

I wanted to come back to a couple of 'items'

To be honest if it was an original bolt action p14, ears and dog leg bolt, I would not have looked looked at it twice...damn ugly beast if you ask me.

Couldn't agree more. There are only two other milsurp actions I consider uglier, one the Mosin Nagant, and the other I won't mention for fear of getting 'lynched'.

I am not a fan of the Mauser action in general,

Well... There's no accounting for taste I suppose.

Open sights, I do not use them, spoils the lines of a rifle for me.

Now here's an interesting illustration of beauty in the eye of the beholder... "spoils the lines of a rifle". That's exactly what I think of scopes! Funny how one's experience influences one's 'eye'.

I do not subscribe to the 'backup' argument, I do not practice much with open sights, I do not hunt with open sights therefore do not have the need of open sights!

I don't particularly subscribe to the 'backup' argument either, however, I must admit that I have had an occasion to need backup for a 'scope. My 'scope was broken, and I was a VERY long way in miles (hundreds and hundreds) and time (months) from being anywhere near where I could get a new scope mounted. I had taken the 'open sights' off of my 7mm Rem Mag because I "didn't need them". When the scope broke I had to use the front of the muzzle for the front sight. Shooting at a caribou at 150-ish yd, I had to aim about 4 feet below its feet. It's VERY difficult to aim at the ground when you want to hit the chest. To me "classic" lines are those of 'iron' sights. I acknowledge that a nice rifle like this one, fitted with a properly sized scope can indeed look 'elegant'. Nonetheless, I think this rifle would look 'sleeker' and more elegant with 'iron' sights.

As you say, wouldn't it be boring if we all liked red-heads?

Regards,
Paul

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Well... There's no accounting for taste I suppose.

hmmmm.......


As to why I not a fan of the Mauser action, the bit that makes it nasty looking for me is that big ass claw extractor....

And looks would be the only reason, I know how reliable, strong etc...

 

[Brithunter]

hmmmm.......


As to why I not a fan of the Mauser action, the bit that makes it nasty looking for me is that big ass claw extractor....

And looks would be the only reason, I know how reliable, strong etc...

While I agree the flag safety could do with changing:-

It makes a nice sporting rifle

Interesting adjustable fore sight .

Not mine this one, the photos were taken from thier advertising blurb, the rifle is a reproduction of the DMW originals built for the wealthier Boers.

An original DWM

Of course this is a M93 also known as a Small Ring Mauserand not a M98 Large ring. 7x57 of course. The full length Mauser extractor is not that noticable as you can see.

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Don't get me wrong Brit.... I am not here to tell anyone what is or isnt a nice rifle!
Mauser action is just a little too 'agricultural' for me I knew that there would be some here that appreciate the 444 more than me!!!!!
To paraphrase Popeye.... I likes what I likes <maybe have to put this in my sig!!!!

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Ok 4 welds away from completion.... Its looking good!

 

[gitano]

Personally, my tastes/preferences in firearms are like my tastes/preferences in women: There are some that illicit and immediate and 'primal' response, but there are precious few that I don't like. Especially when I get my hands on them.

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.

Paul

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

A quick pic of baffle stack (difficult to photograph + too frikking lazy to bring tripod to work)

 

[Brithunter]

Don't get me wrong Brit.... I am not here to tell anyone what is or isnt a nice rifle!
Mauser action is just a little too 'agricultural' for me I knew that there would be some here that appreciate the 444 more than me!!!!!
To paraphrase Popeye.... I likes what I likes <maybe have to put this in my sig!!!!

Like the 45/70 I have not had much if any experience with the 444 marlin. Tony the membership sec at the club down south had a Marlin 1895 that was either the 444 or 45/70. It was a long time back he showed me it. Those days I was playing with an original Swinburns patent Sporting martini in 577/450. Now that would smack a piggie down 480 Grn soft lead bullet paper patched of course fo 0.458" diameter if I recall correctly patched to about 0.465.

Somehow I cannot see Lincs Police playing ball with that oen for deer and Boar though .

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Ever had one of those oh sh1t moments.......



You can see the over penetration of the weld behind the spider, which to be honest was not a big problem, the .8mm out of true screwed the pooch!!!
Ah well, slight re design called for....

 

[gitano]

Bummer!

Maybe you need some Loctite 648.

Regards,
Paul

 

[j0e_bl0ggs]

Bummer!

Maybe you need some Loctite 648.

Regards,
Paul

amen brother!!!