If it turns out that is the case, hopefully, they will get what’s due to them. Appalling, unnecessary, disproportionate use of force.
Didn't think it would be long before the police protection society got on the case.
From where that pool of thousands ? The man although as you put an old one legged man. Was demented and in possession of a knife, possibly not a butter knife possibly a carving knife, meat cleaver, aerated edged knife. Care homes have kitchens as well. Who do you think is qualified to wrap a blanket around a knife being waved around ? Jackie Cham, Bruce lee ? Dementia has the unfortunate side effect of making non violent law abiding citizens violent and volatile, my partner has been unfortunate enough to work some shifts in dementia wards, where she has seen colleagues assaulted, spat at, racially abused, sexually assaulted all by people in their 60s-90s.
I would agree the case does not look good for the officers in attendance. Again with the little information available. The threat to life may have been the 93 year olds own, if he had threatened to cut his own wrists or throat the taser and spray may have been deployed to eliminate that risk.
I referred to an incident in an earlier post. In that case it was an NHS hospital which provided palliative care only. The 80 yr old patient was given a filleting knife (along with cigs and alcohol) as he was asking for one as another patient was “winding him up”Utterly, utterly disgraceful.Whatever were the "caring-staff" ever thinking of making that phone call ffs??
( knives in a care home? Really?? A domestic cutlery knife most likely)
Most of them are completely justified use of restraint and justifiable arrests. The tik tok auditors are generally idiots. But whatever floats your boat, Forty odd year old career criminals looking to harass any one in uniform. Funnily enough most of these videos miss the offence or violence from the perpetrator. Funny that
But please do share some, if there are literally thousands. Then share the result if the arrest, the reason for the restraint and the outcome of the court case, police complaint.
Get yourself on Tiktok and have a look , then you can decide for yourself how they are all fake/provoked/deserved.
If this is true and he was holding a kitchen knife then there was an immediate threat to life - his own. Ironically the officers are duty bound to protect his life as well as anyone else. If he was about to try and take his own life they would have to intervene.
Recruitment policy? Probably. They all either have to have degrees or be getting one when they join the police. So there's no one joining to walk the beat and talk to people. They all want to sit at a desk in their office, be a boss and tell others what to do. But I also wonder if their training is at fault. There used to be regional training centres, where you went to live for 3-4 months to learn about policing, learning not only law but self defence and doing practical exercises, dealing with scenes of crimes, angry drunks etc. They actually used to get criminals and habitual drunks in to do these sometimes. This was a minimum before being let loose on the streets and even then, you had to have a tutor constable with you. The North West one, as an example, at Bruche, Warrington taught Liverpool, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire, Cumbria and the Isle of Man (mostly) and could draw on experienced supervisory training officers from all those forces. Now, each force trains their own and the old regional training centre is a housing estate. You've got to wonder how that system can be better.
As far as murder goes there is no longer a time limit. Just that the death has to be caused by the injury.
I have tik tok, I’ve had a look my opinion stands. If you are going to make accusations based or a video follow it to e conclusion. Of the thousands I’m assuming they all led to disciplinary action against the officers. Or perhaps the actions were justified and the idiots with a camera looking for people to follow them edited the clips.
They really did intervene to stop him injuring himself as they were duty bound to do. why try and injure your self when the police will do it for you. As i wrote in a earlier post I'm sure I could have disarmed him even if he was armed with a machete without too much trouble. As it written at the bottom of your post, Copper is the stopper.
I look at tik tok and there was one video from Glasgow where I knew both the cops involved. The audio was dubbed and the dialogue, spoken by Scottish voices portrayed the police to be threatening and abusive using foul language.
It might have been a steak knife?
