Independence 2.

[Hornady]

I was a passionate advocate for Scottish Independence prior to September 2015. However, the decision to remain under Westminster rule as a result led to a groundswell of misplaced nationalism (which to me, and many of my countrymen, was never what the Referendum was about in the first place) was a huge warning of what was to come. Namely we now have single-party governance, with that party ignoring the democratic process both within and without its own borders, and passing legislation to suit its own agendas. Very worrying.

Scottish Independence under SNP rule will destroy Scotland, in my view. If a second Referendum is held, I for one will not be voting for Independence. Westminster rule is not what I want for my country but it's far preferable to the alternative, which would be to surrender ourselves completely to what is, effectively, a Marxist regime.

Hardest lesson I ever learned was better the devil you know... Seems Scotland learned that one the hard way too

 

[Woodsmoke]

can we have a vote on getting rid of Scotland

Good job none of us Scots are taking it personally, hey?

We don't 'want rid of England'. We want to be free of Westminster Rule. There's a big difference!

 

[Tamar]

Seems a bit of an over-reaction to the crushing defeat on Saturday.......

 

[Orion]

Seems a bit of an over-reaction to the crushing defeat on Saturday.......

 

[Woodsmoke]

Seems Scotland learned that one the hard way too

We had the opportunity of a lifetime to forge a brand new country for both ourselves, the rest of the UK, and future generations. The outright lies, mis-truths, smokescreens, and dirty-tricks campaign of the Westminster Triumvirate in the final run-up (including breaking Purdah) was what led to the Referendum result being what it was. The same dirty-trick campaign led to the 1979 Referendum result being declared null, despite it also being a democratic process and displaying a majority vote in-favour of Independence. Scotland's Independence could conceivably have led to a far better method of government in England and Wales too, with almost a federal approach being taken to how the various parts of the country were governed locally.

It is what it is though, and the position we find ourselves in is of our own making. It could have been so much better.

 

[TonyR]

Would it not make sense to wait and see what post Brexit Britain was like and then vote for independence if it was not suitable for the Scottish ? At the moment no one knows and it could be a good thing or not .

Tony

 

[Hornady]

I was a passionate advocate for Scottish Independence prior to September 2015. However, the decision to remain under Westminster rule as a result led to a groundswell of misplaced nationalism (which to me, and many of my countrymen, was never what the Referendum was about in the first place) was a huge warning of what was to come. Namely we now have single-party governance, with that party ignoring the democratic process both within and without its own borders, and passing legislation to suit its own agendas. Very worrying.

Scottish Independence under SNP rule will destroy Scotland, in my view. If a second Referendum is held, I for one will not be voting for Independence. Westminster rule is not what I want for my country but it's far preferable to the alternative, which would be to surrender ourselves completely to what is, effectively, a Marxist regime.

Hardest lesson I ever learned was better the devil you know... Seems Scotland learned that one the hard way too

We had the opportunity of a lifetime to forge a brand new country for both ourselves, the rest of the UK, and future generations. The outright lies, mis-truths, smokescreens, and dirty-tricks campaign of the Westminster Triumvirate in the final run-up (including breaking Purdah) was what led to the Referendum result being what it was. The same dirty-trick campaign led to the 1979 Referendum result being declared null, despite it also being a democratic process and displaying a majority vote in-favour of Independence. Scotland's Independence could conceivably have led to a far better method of government in England and Wales too, with almost a federal approach being taken to how the various parts of the country were governed locally.

It is what it is though, and the position we find ourselves in is of our own making. It could have been so much better.

Are you kidding. If England had a vote Scotland would be gone and a big feck off wall in between built too. Nobody needed to lie. Scotland knows what side the bread is buttered on.

 

[awmc]

Wouldn't be the UK as I know it without the Jocks whingeing about something or other

Good result on Saturday though

 

[Woodsmoke]

If England had a vote Scotland would be gone and a big feck off wall in between built too

Well, that says far more about you than it does about me. I saw far more anti-Scottish sentiments being bandied about by the English than anti-English sentiments by the Scots.

Think what you like, if that's the sort of comment we'll be seeing here then I'll bow out of this thread and leave you to it.

 

[Hornady]

Well, that says far more about you than it does about me. I saw far more anti-Scottish sentiments being bandied about by the English than anti-English sentiments by the Scots.

Think what you like, if that's the sort of comment we'll be seeing here then I'll bow out of this thread and leave you to it.

It's just a fact. The mail had a poll which was 60/40 out.

Me personally if you pay the right level of tax it's of no issue. But the UK pays 1500 per person per year more than you raise in tax including so called oil revenue.

That's my council tax for free. Put it that way and most people would say... See ya

 

[Woodsmoke]

The mail had a poll which was 60/40 out.

Me personally if you pay the right level of tax it's of no issue. But the UK pays 1500 per person per year more than you raise in tax including so called oil revenue

Utter rubbish. You seem to have fallen into the same trap so many of your countrymen did in 2015. Go away, do some proper research, and then come back and we can debate like adults. Oh. And stop reading the Mail, you're not doing your case any favours. And that really is my final word on this thread.

 

[Hornady]

Utter rubbish. You seem to have fallen into the same trap so many of your countrymen did in 2015. Go away, do some proper research, and then come back and we can debate like adults. Oh. And stop reading the Mail, you're not doing your case any favours. And that really is my final word on this thread.

Scrap barnet formula and then come speak to me.

 

[TOMMO.B]

Hardest lesson I ever learned was better the devil you know... Seems Scotland learned that one the hard way too

Are you kidding. If England had a vote Scotland would be gone and a big feck off wall in between built too. Nobody needed to lie. Scotland knows what side the bread is buttered on.

Funny how the rest of the UK hates your Rule. Wales and Northern Ireland want to distance them selves from Westminster.

 

[Stevie/P]

god no not Nicola Sturgeon at it again she must be on the buckie for sure.

 

[Hornady]

Funny how the rest of the UK hates your Rule. Wales and Northern Ireland want to distance them selves from Westminster.

Wales and Northern Ireland want in.

But in honestly the English don't really care. To us it's mostly immaterial.

 

[TOMMO.B]

Wales and Northern Ireland want in.

But in honestly the English don't really care. To us it's mostly immaterial.

Most dont but you DO.

 

[Hornady]

Most dont but you DO.

I like a good argument haha.

I have some good Scottish mates who I wind-up too

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

It belongs to the UK mod so after divorce would remain property of the UK.



In the same way that Portsmouth would become Scottish ? Its a MOD base, MOD assets split four ways. England, Scotland ,Northern Ireland and Wales.
You have Faslane we can rent out Portsmouth.

 

[Druid]

The posts on this have just got to get into 3 digits.

 

[opticron1]

So then..... apart from the SNP ignoring the result of the last once-in-a-generation (sic) referendum - despite all the "lies" in the "unionist media" if was a clear result to stay IN the UK 55% for.... 45% against....
So now the miserable non-entity who dictates all policy up here (don't mention the failing schools and the under funded NHS oh no!) has decided to subject us all again the thorough nastiness which came out in the last once-in-a-generation referendum will she and the other idiots offer us three questions.....

1) independence
2) Independence from the UK, but owned by Europe or
3) Remain in the UK
After there were a million folk who wanted out of Europe - many of them SNP members...... Or is all this just another example of Sturgeons never ending policy of cringe and whine - better still get her to call an election for Holyrood - if she has the guts!