info/help on Lee loader

So with all this in mind are the people who use the lee loaders finding the roundsa are more accurate than factory rounds??

You need to understand that Lee loaders only size the neck, of a fire-formed case, from the outside. So you could compare them with e.g. a bushing neck die. Unsurprising that they can give great results.

The downside is that they are not a complete substitute for a press and dies. Eventually any bottleneck rifle case will need the shoulder bumping back, or a full re-size, which the Lee loader cannot do.

The modest powder charges mandated by the scoops and allowance for operator error, mean the reloaded ammo is very consistent, but relatively low pressure.

Brass lasts very very well if you don't load it to the max.

​One box of factory cartridges, one tub of powder (7000 grains), 150 primers, 150 bullets, one Lee loader, used to cost much less than 8 1/2 boxes of cartridges. (To use your 30-06 as an example). Actually it still does, even at UK prices. After that initial investment in the tool it was even better.

They were developed in an era of thrift and austerity. To which we are returning.

​If Lee are discontinuing them, then I think they may have mis-timed things. Unless there is a Mk II version in development....

if this is the case I wonder how much variance is in a factory charge...?

Charge weight variation is less important than some might imagine.

If you are using a load which is modest in pressure, small variations have minor effect on velocity, which is what really does matter in external ballistics.

It is only those who push the ragged edge of pressure, or use unsuitable powder, where "spiking" can cause large velocity variations for tiny variations in powder weight.

Muzzle energy is directly related to powder weight. Velocity to the square root.
 
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So with all this in mind are the people who use the lee loaders finding the rounds are more accurate than factory rounds??

Yes,

3 calibres so far

.270 was my first foray into loaders - once i found a better powder (N160 over N165) I was sub inch at 130yds (just happens to be the range at my club) whereas the RWS ammo and formally norma would do an inch at 100yds
.243 was ragged hole also with N160, factory Remington, sako and privi was very poor for the expectations
.222 is 1/2" at 100 with N133, factory Sako and privi was also pants!

I have a Zero error target loader in an obscure 30 cal cartridge that I am even considering getting reamed to 300WM proportions
The "zero error" ones are awesome
everything you need from proper primer seater to the ultimate neck tension method.."outside sized, inside reamed" gives consistent neck thickness without the issues of outside neck reaming.
 
Sharpie: Lee will tell you up front that they are 'phasing them out' of production. I'm with you, I say "Make them better!" Make them for 204, 6.5 Creedmore, 260.... whatever. People would buy them once they got over their prejudice against tapping the case in with a mallet. If they made a little arbor press to go with, it would be a success. That's all BR shooters do. In fact, I have used the Lee kits with an arbor press. It was a real joy tho somewhat slower.~Muir
 
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