Vallance1701
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Scenario: all uk Deer Species including boar, no shots taken past 300M. I’m only interested in UK game in this discussion.
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Is the 6.5 Creedmoor capable of everything a 7mm Rem Mag is? All game in the UK, including boar.
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Foxyboy43
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Can’t speak for the CM but it’s 100 plus years old forebear (6.5x55) firing the same bullets from a long action rifle is commonly used for much bigger quarry in the colder parts of the planet. I have shot large reds with no concerns whatsoever, pretty useful on occasional foxes too!
Brave Echo Niner
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In a word no they’re not comparable.
I have shot a few deer with the 7RM and some with 6.5x47L (little difference between a creed and this) and seen lots more shot with the 7mm.
A 6.5 just doesn’t have the same energy, a 7RM will knock most deer on their backsides on the spot with a chest shot, the 6.5s you tend to see them run a little way.
I have taken deer past 300m with a 6.5 and there was acceptable expansion but ultimately if I had a choice I would choose the 7mm every time, the 6.5 was just what was in my hands at the time.
I’ve never shot boar and cannot comment on that side of things.
In my experience the 6.5 will work but the 7mm does it better all better at the slight expense of a little more recoil (not much in it IMO).
Ben
I have shot a few deer with the 7RM and some with 6.5x47L (little difference between a creed and this) and seen lots more shot with the 7mm.
A 6.5 just doesn’t have the same energy, a 7RM will knock most deer on their backsides on the spot with a chest shot, the 6.5s you tend to see them run a little way.
I have taken deer past 300m with a 6.5 and there was acceptable expansion but ultimately if I had a choice I would choose the 7mm every time, the 6.5 was just what was in my hands at the time.
I’ve never shot boar and cannot comment on that side of things.
In my experience the 6.5 will work but the 7mm does it better all better at the slight expense of a little more recoil (not much in it IMO).
Ben
norcan
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In Sweden, where boars have made a big return, 6,5x55 is not quite accepted as good enough.
Its legal! But I have seen people who "sell hunts" prefer if hunters shows up with 308.
Something to do with the heavy shoulder plate/bone?
In Norway/Sweden, 308, 30-06, 6,5x55 are the three most sold calibers..
So this discussion has been going on for 50+ years.. 308 good, 6,5x55 Ok, and does the job.
Newer/better bullets does have an impact.
We have been discussing if 6,5x55 is good enough on Moose within 100m for a century....
And when 6.5CM showed up in US, people out west where starting to shoot Elk at 5-600yards and calling it great.
So..maybe we where just being conservative or Americans being reckless.
Though, better bullets have changed its capability.
Its legal! But I have seen people who "sell hunts" prefer if hunters shows up with 308.
Something to do with the heavy shoulder plate/bone?
In Norway/Sweden, 308, 30-06, 6,5x55 are the three most sold calibers..
So this discussion has been going on for 50+ years.. 308 good, 6,5x55 Ok, and does the job.
Newer/better bullets does have an impact.
We have been discussing if 6,5x55 is good enough on Moose within 100m for a century....
And when 6.5CM showed up in US, people out west where starting to shoot Elk at 5-600yards and calling it great.
So..maybe we where just being conservative or Americans being reckless.
Though, better bullets have changed its capability.
Magnificent 7
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Depends how many boar your planning on shooting.An odd one then you be fine I’ve shot boar with a 243 but it was from sticks on a stalked boar not a running one.I’d rather a 150grain plus bullet on boar as an injured one is not a deer and can be very dangerous
Magnificent 7
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The shoulder plate you struggle to stab with a knife
I have both swede and creed
I don’t know the 7 RM but I believe it is similar to and a bit weaker than 308?
If so, I’d not use either on boar
I don’t know the 7 RM but I believe it is similar to and a bit weaker than 308?
If so, I’d not use either on boar
paul o'
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They can without any trouble kill all and anything in the UK but the rules say No!
it's all about what part you hit or capable of hitting within your skill set.
C&P From the voice of shooting !
(Q ) BASC has previously recommended that a minimum calibre for shooting this species under UK conditions should be .270 rifle with a suitably heavy bullet. The Any Other Lawful Quarry condition on your certificate will allow you to shoot boar in the UK. Without this, you will need a specific condition for boar.
it's all about what part you hit or capable of hitting within your skill set.
C&P From the voice of shooting !
(Q ) BASC has previously recommended that a minimum calibre for shooting this species under UK conditions should be .270 rifle with a suitably heavy bullet. The Any Other Lawful Quarry condition on your certificate will allow you to shoot boar in the UK. Without this, you will need a specific condition for boar.
Precision123
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If you're going down that route, then a .30 WinMag, or something like, is putting you in the 'good choice' area.
That's assuming you want to shoot one of each type of deer and boar too.
That's assuming you want to shoot one of each type of deer and boar too.
norcan
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Quite the opposite; the 7 mm delivers about 15-20% more power than the .308 at the muzzle, and the advantage increases over distance.
I am currently looking into this question too. At present, I have a 270 and shoot 130gn bullet. According to ballistic tables, a 6.5 cm 129 hornady bullet, at 100yds has 100ft lbs less energy than the 270. At 200yds it has the same as the 270 and 300yds has nearly 100ft lbs more energy than the 270. So I cant see it being an issue. Unless im missing something!
Precision123
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On that, you're missing how much energy a bullet retains.
The same weight bullet out of a 6.5 is longer than out of a .308, it has a better 'balestic coefficient'. More streamlined so need less energy to move forwards.
The same weight bullet out of a 6.5 is longer than out of a .308, it has a better 'balestic coefficient'. More streamlined so need less energy to move forwards.
The 7 Rem Mag is a personal favourite and in my opinion a much more flexible choice than the 6.5 Creedmore. Yes I have shot deer with the 6.5s and am aware of what they do. 7mm bullet weights go from 100 grain to 190 grain and the addition of large deer and boar into the equation means that the heavier bullet weights might be useful. Personally I wouldn’t use a 6.5 Creedmore against boar or large deer but would happily use the 7mm RM with an appropriate bullet
Inside 300 metres the Creedmore is balistically (in my opinion) a bit average. Further out the high BC of a lot of the 6.5mm heavy for calibre bullets makes a big difference and this narrows the gap somewhat with other traditional calibres. Saying that you can get 7mm bullets with very high BC that may well spank the 6.5. Inevitably there is a price to pay from such performance in terms of greater recoil and powder charge weights but that is the trade off. With the 7 RM you also have to contend with a belted magnum case which doesn’t bother me at all but seems to annoy some people. The other factor is the 6.5 Creed is a short action calibre and the 7 RM a long action if you struggle to pull the bolt back that extra distance.
Inside 300 metres the Creedmore is balistically (in my opinion) a bit average. Further out the high BC of a lot of the 6.5mm heavy for calibre bullets makes a big difference and this narrows the gap somewhat with other traditional calibres. Saying that you can get 7mm bullets with very high BC that may well spank the 6.5. Inevitably there is a price to pay from such performance in terms of greater recoil and powder charge weights but that is the trade off. With the 7 RM you also have to contend with a belted magnum case which doesn’t bother me at all but seems to annoy some people. The other factor is the 6.5 Creed is a short action calibre and the 7 RM a long action if you struggle to pull the bolt back that extra distance.
You brought a knife to a gunfight?
Magnificent 7
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Hear hear 6.5 has no place in the saloon
I have used both on red deer, both kill the deer at reasonable distances just the same, for all U.K. deer I prefer the 6.5 , cheaper factory ammo, less recoil just as effective, for the odd boar it would work from a tower. I’ve never shot Boar in the U.K., driven Boar I would much rather a 7mm rem mag or a 300 WM. Yes they can and are shot by smaller calibres but when a hoar is charging in my general direction I want a round that will either kill it outright or knock it off its feet. I don’t think the 6.5 is up to the task.
I was jesting, a round in the right place will spoil anythings day 
shakey jake
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well ive never shot a deer with a 6.5 but the munty that stoped today hated the 7mm rem mag.
id say its like the 12 20 bore debate. put the shot in the right place with a good bullet and both are fine
id say its like the 12 20 bore debate. put the shot in the right place with a good bullet and both are fine
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