Land re passing

[Tikkat1x]

evening all,

what does anyone think the chances are of having land re passed for a larger calibre,
a farm i shoot on is having a fair few roe deer on his land and causing crop damage,
and is currently passed upto 22.250 but would obviously need passing for 243,
i know the obvious answer would be to ring the FLO/FEO and ask, but just wondered if anyone had come across this before.
many thanks,

Lee

 

[VSS]

Simpler to request open conditions on your FAC.

 

[25 Sharps]

evening all,

what does anyone think the chances are of having land re passed for a larger calibre,
a farm i shoot on is having a fair few roe deer on his land and causing crop damage,
and is currently passed upto 22.250 but would obviously need passing for 243,
i know the obvious answer would be to ring the FLO/FEO and ask, but just wondered if anyone had come across this before.
many thanks,

Lee

Roe deer causing crop damage?

Unless it’s rape they tend to feed on the weeds between the crops rather than the crops in my experience.

As for clearance, you may find that as someone has 22-250 another FEO may be reticent to clear for something larger.

That said 22-250 and .243 are quite similar other than the diameter of the bullet.

 

[Jon P]

Stick a high seat up with a good backstop if concerned the land won’t pass on safety grounds. At least you can shoot deer then.

 

[ColinJ]

Land checks are often only done for the caliber the original applicant asks for. Apply for a .22/250, get a land check for a .22/250. So land is often ‘upgraded’. Just ask your FEO.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Simpler to request open conditions on your FAC.

i thought about this but was unsure on a couple of things and not got round to looking into it yet,
so obviously if i have an open ticket i can judge if land is safe to shoot on or not, does that also me i can decide up to what calibre,
also as the ground i have my certificate on its only passed for up to 22,250, would an open ticket mean i can re class it myself,
also i only have a 223 at the moment so even if i could re class it surly i wouldnt be able to apply for a larger calibre on my own say so
this is one of them posts where im afraid i may not look like i know what im doing, but its more a case of i admittedly dont know everything about everything,

 

[Tikkat1x]

Roe deer causing crop damage?

Unless it’s rape they tend to feed on the weeds between the crops rather than the crops in my experience.

As for clearance, you may find that as someone has 22-250 another FEO may be reticent to clear for something larger.

That said 22-250 and .243 are quite similar other than the diameter of the bullet.

its some grass in there at the moment, some fancy grass that grows long and thick, cant remember the name of it, its for silage, then as last year hes putting on maize,

 

[Morkai]

i thought about this but was unsure on a couple of things and not got round to looking into it yet,
so obviously if i have an open ticket i can judge if land is safe to shoot on or not, does that also me i can decide up to what calibre,
also as the ground i have my certificate on its only passed for up to 22,250, would an open ticket mean i can re class it myself,
also i only have a 223 at the moment so even if i could re class it surly i wouldnt be able to apply for a larger calibre on my own say so
this is one of them posts where im afraid i may not look like i know what im doing, but its more a case of i admittedly dont know everything about everything,

You can deem whether it is safe to use the calibre in your possession on that land.

Your calibre choice can be dictacted by your quarry or a technical aspect of your shooting, if the Reds roll in, or some other change in circumstance arises, you may have good reason for a larger calibre.

 

[Andyquadra]

its some grass in there at the moment, some fancy grass that grows long and thick, cant remember the name of it, its for silage, then as last year hes putting on maize,

Italian ryegrass?

 

[VSS]

i thought about this but was unsure on a couple of things and not got round to looking into it yet,
so obviously if i have an open ticket i can judge if land is safe to shoot on or not, does that also me i can decide up to what calibre,
also as the ground i have my certificate on its only passed for up to 22,250, would an open ticket mean i can re class it myself,
also i only have a 223 at the moment so even if i could re class it surly i wouldnt be able to apply for a larger calibre on my own say so
this is one of them posts where im afraid i may not look like i know what im doing, but its more a case of i admittedly dont know everything about everything,

You're overthinking it.
To put it simply:
If you have open conditions on your FAC for your 243 then you make the decision as to whether the land is safe for the use of that calibre. It does not need to be inspected and passed by police.

 

[Tikkat1x]

You're overthinking it.
To put it simply:
If you have open conditions on your FAC for your 243 then you make the decision as to whether the land is safe for the use of that calibre. It does not need to be inspected and passed by police.

yes i understand that bit, my problem is i dont have a 243, and cant apply for one as the ground is only cleared upto 22,250.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Italian ryegrass?

sounds familiar

 

[VSS]

yes i understand that bit, my problem is i dont have a 243, and cant apply for one as the ground is only cleared upto 22,250.

Apply for one anyway, and where you're required to give your good reason use the wording "For deer stalking, AOLQ and zeroing on any suitable land over which I have authority to shoot with this calibre of firearm".
Don't name the piece of land.
With a bit of luck it'll come back with open conditions.

 

[T.eddie]

I've had this done without issue, the farm had never been shot for deer before as they didn't let anyone, I provided evidence of what was on the ground, the feo did a visit to check the land and that was it all sorted

 

[75]

yes i understand that bit, my problem is i dont have a 243, and cant apply for one as the ground is only cleared upto 22,250.

Current clearance is based on historical applications not maximum possible and doesn’t limit larger calibres at some point in future.

You can apply for a larger calibre for that land. As part of the variation they will do a land check.

My neighbours farm was only cleared to 223 but I listed it on my last renewal for 6.5-284 (open ticket but you still need a named bit of land here). As part of the renewal the FEO wanted to confirm there was something bigger than foxes on the ground (to justify more than 223) then looked out the window at the hilly ground and confirmed he’d have cleared it to .50 cal if I’d had one on my cert!

 

[25 Sharps]

Current clearance is based on historical applications not maximum possible and doesn’t limit larger calibres at some point in future.

You can apply for a larger calibre for that land. As part of the variation they will do a land check.

My neighbours farm was only cleared to 223 but I listed it on my last renewal for 6.5-284 (open ticket but you still need a named bit of land here). As part of the renewal the FEO wanted to confirm there was something bigger than foxes on the ground (to justify more than 223) then looked out the window at the hilly ground and confirmed he’d have cleared it to .50 cal if I’d had one on my cert!

You don’t need a piece of land cleared under the legislation, some forces may insist on it but that is not correct.

None of my land is cleared for anything bigger then .22 WMR. Was cracking myself at first renewal as several people on here said I’d lose my centre fires at renewal. 2 renewals since and no issue’s getting my .280, .308 and several others back.

 

[Tikkat1x]

Iv wrote to the FEO and asked if the land can be reassessed and given my reasons why, and told them id be more than happy to put a couple of high seats up, and that iv also put a variation in for a .243
i guess i will just have to see what they say, as well all know they sing off different hymn sheets

 

[Bowland blades]

evening all,

what does anyone think the chances are of having land re passed for a larger calibre,
a farm i shoot on is having a fair few roe deer on his land and causing crop damage,
and is currently passed upto 22.250 but would obviously need passing for 243,
i know the obvious answer would be to ring the FLO/FEO and ask, but just wondered if anyone had come across this before.
many thanks,

Lee

You dont say if your in Scotland where its legal to shoot roe with your 22-250 or England /Wales where its not . There is no useable difference other than the legality in reality , indeed with the vast majority of firearms for deer there is no real difference in the safety of one over another until we get towards dangerous big game stuff.
If your shooting the Roe in the UK other than in Scotland , it should be a done thing and in Scotland there is always the chance of a red, sika, fallow popping up unexpectedly .
Very foolish for a force to only pass land up to 22-250, Its just wasting taxpayers money via eating up admin hours without good reason

 

[Tikkat1x]

Very foolish for a force to only pass land up to 22-250, Its just wasting taxpayers money via eating up admin hours without good reason

thats the FEO's for you round here, nothing is easy or straight forward, im in sunny yorkshire, uk, 243 is legal calibre for the roe deer, i only have 223 at the moment, but hopefully that will change

 

[VSS]

Very foolish for a force to only pass land up to 22-250, Its just wasting taxpayers money via eating up admin hours without good reason

thats the FEO's for you round here, nothing is easy or straight forward, im in sunny yorkshire, uk, 243 is legal calibre for the roe deer, i only have 223 at the moment, but hopefully that will change

I think, if the biggest calibre you have on your ticket is, for example, 22-250, and you ask for land to be cleared, then it will be recorded as having been cleared up to that calibre.
When the OP has got his 243, and he asks for land clearance, then no doubt it will be cleared "up to 243".