Land Rover Discovery views

[wytonpjs]

Google JLR Ingium engine and take a deep breadth. The 2.0L diesel appears to be far the worst, greatly exacerbated by the ridiculous 21k mile/24 month service interval and dpf regen issues causing oil dilution compounding the issue. There are horrendous stories of low mileage failures, with short journeys contributing greatly to the early failure. Moreover, stop/start adds to the issue, killing the oil supply to the turbo which can lead to early failure. I’ve just had the chain stretch test done on my 95k Discovery Sport with no evidence of stretch - phew. I’ve only owned the car for 10 months and 13k mile having failed to do my research when my trusty FL2 hiccup’d. It’s now a constant worry at the back of my mind and going forward, it’s a 6k oil change regime for me. I love the car - it works extremely well as my family/deer stalking car but the worry about chain snap, dpf or turbo failure with the 2.0 L engine is massive. Wish I’d gone petrol……..

 

[urx]

Just dont
Ive had several defenders range rovers and discoveries.
I will never be buying anything newer than the td5 based models unless its a cheap ‘run it till it dies’ scrapper.

 

[tackb]

As others have said, buy new for the warranty as you’ll need it.

I bought my D4 as a LR Approved Used vehicle so dealer had to replace a load of bits on it before it reached the required standard. However, between putting down deposit & paying balance to collect the thing it lunched the engine… I was very happy about this as I got a used car with a brand new engine

I understand now that LR Approved Used warranty no longer covers the V6 diesel engine due to chance of catastrophic failure. There were/are two main causes of said failure - spun bearings blocking the oil journals to the crank shaft & mechanical failure of the crankshaft due to stress fracturing. The former, I believe but don’t quote me, was rectified. The latter, in my opinion, is down to engineers removing as much material as possible from the crank to improve efficiency & then using an engine map that produces a shed load of low end torque which then over stresses the crank.

Aside from such catastrophic engine failures most of the problems with D4s & other expensive LR models is down to people skimping on the maintenance. I’ve had my D4 for nearly 9 years now & nothing unexpected has happened to it. It’s needed parts replaced but they are consumables that suffer wear & tear, so have been budgeted for. It’s my everyday car & certainly does more than 2k miles a year.


As already said, the Ingenium diesel engines are shite - they need to be used for good long runs to get the dog to regen & also need to be driven in ‘manual’ mode so the engine revs & exhaust gets hot enough - the auto box doesn’t really allow this to happen, especially on school runs. They also need oil & filter changes annually or 12k miles, or less if doing short stop/start trips!

what sort of mileage , i did 50k plus a year and the landrovers could not cope the landcruisers could

my land rovers were serviced by the main LR dealer i brought them from as per the recommendations

none of what you have written is a great advert for landrover reliability if that is what you were aiming for?

 

[Will the chippy]

My mate has a disco 5. Had a new engine at about 30k miles. Another I know had a Jag, same engine, it went pop and cost about 10k. I'd steer well clear.

 

[bluesako]

if heinakin did 4x4,s it would be a toyota landcruiser

 

[enfieldspares]

Moreover, stop/start adds to the issue, killing the oil supply to the turbo which can lead to early failure.

I once had a Kawasaki GPz 750 Turbo and with that you were recommended to allow the thing to idle for a couple of minutes after a journey to allow the circulating oil to cool the turbo. So the time that you saved by going faster and getting there sooner was then wasted sitting astride the bike for that cooling time was you let the engine run idle.

 

[enfieldspares]

JLR Ingium engine

I did Google it as I used to work during covid times in JLR's, then, spares inventory partner Siamo Logistics at Desford, Leicestershire and after the usual top of the list of pages found Wiki entry was this link:

 

[Scuffy]

We’ve had 3 Disco 5s and never had any problems with any of them. 3L diesels and all bar first was a commercial. All had a relatively tough life dragging bulky trailers around the country and countryside. All chopped in at around the 85/90k mark. There is not a hope in hell that I would run one that was out of original warranty. I kept a Disco 4 to long and it cost me dearly.

 

[paulbshooting]

Hi All,

Time for a change for the car. Thinking of taking the plunge for a Land Discovery 5 round about 2020-2021 age. Would like to hear from owners please. The good and bad and engines to avoid. With the Land Rovers reliability record, I can't seem to decide.

Thanks

Had a Disco 5 2021 plate, 3.0 TD. Sold it after 12 months as too unreliable. Bought it approved used so had LR assist and AA cover but it was a lot of money for a car that had issues most weeks. The dealers have been deskilled and very expensive. Wouldnt buy another JLR product again. Everyone has a story. Back to german cars and all good.

 

[Donkey Basher]

what sort of mileage , i did 50k plus a year and the landrovers could not cope the landcruisers could

my land rovers were serviced by the main LR dealer i brought them from as per the recommendations

none of what you have written is a great advert for landrover reliability if that is what you were aiming for?

Not aiming at anything, just posting my experience & thoughts. Certainly not doing the 50k miles a year you mention but hasn’t been sat on the drive waiting to be cleaned every Sunday. Servicing has been mainly specialist independents as far more knowledgeable than main dealers!

 

[Deermanagement]

On a scale of 1 to 10 reliability, LR of any model would score very low, and I think the more expensive the model, less reliability with higher repair and replacement costs.

New LR’s look good but would I buy one if I won the lottery or would I take one if offered a free one? The answer is no. I’d take something that looks good, is capable and reliable

I’ve many, many colleagues and acquaintances that have and have had LR’s, and I can’t think of one that has not had problems, leaks, mechanical problems, electrical etc etc

 

[sh1kar]

It’s going the way of Barbour. Harkila. Swandri. Etc etc etc. they have let the accountants loose and offshored/sold out a national classic in pursuit of profit which is now backfiring

The classic formula of quality product. Good customer service. Volume. And slightly premium pricing is lost on them

 

[Bukshot]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
Land Cruiser it is then!

 

[ruger77]

I have a few through the workshop here’s what I know common faults rear view camera can fail £400 from JLR £100 for a Chinese one ,front windscreen leaks water in at the top , quite an expensive repair as the screen has to be calibrated, we have not had any engine problems but do not let any customers go 20,000 between oil changes ,rear steel brake pipes will need replacement at 5 years old ,bonnet release cable or leaver is a bit crap we modified them ,the ram that lowers the rear tail gate flap the end can break off just a quick re weld and your good to go , the pop up gear knob can develop problems £500 these are all tdv6 3 lt engines we do not have any 2 lt Ingenium powered vehicles in the workshop

 

[VSS]

I have had three Land Rover Discoveries, one after the other.
As a combined family/farm vehicle, the design was absolutely perfect for what we needed, but they simply didn't last.
The engines wore out on the first two, and the chassis disintegrated on the last one. That was a particular shame, as the vehicle was in otherwise fantastic condition, it drove well, and quite a few of the electrical features actually worked.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Land Rover Discovery is most unreliable used car – top 10 worst offenders named and shamed – Car Dealer Magazine

The Land Rover Discovery has been named as the most unreliable used car in a survey of nearly 25,000 owners. The What Car? Reliability Survey found the

cardealermagazine.co.uk

Nuff said….

 

[tackb]

On a scale of 1 to 10 reliability, LR of any model would score very low, and I think the more expensive the model, less reliability with higher repair and replacement costs.

New LR’s look good but would I buy one if I won the lottery or would I take one if offered a free one? The answer is no. I’d take something that looks good, is capable and reliable

I’ve many, many colleagues and acquaintances that have and have had LR’s, and I can’t think of one that has not had problems, leaks, mechanical problems, electrical etc etc

i would have a new JLR product if they guaranteed to replace it with a new vehicle if it required recovery , new car each time it broke down

also i would want a 7 year comprehensive warranty

if i won the lottery i would buy a top of the range one then employ a barrister to drag them through the courts for every little fault and pay for adverts to advertise how rubbish they are

yes i have the hump with JLR !

 

[Stalker62]

if i won the lottery i would buy a top of the range one then employ a barrister to drag them through the courts for every little fault and pay for adverts to advertise how rubbish they are

I do wish someone would do just that.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Is it JLRs fault or the Tata beancounters that walk around the design centre at Whitley/Coventry? I saw them there back in 2011 I am sure nothing has improved since then.

 

[Lloyd90]

Google JLR Ingium engine and take a deep breadth. The 2.0L diesel appears to be far the worst, greatly exacerbated by the ridiculous 21k mile/24 month service interval and dpf regen issues causing oil dilution compounding the issue. There are horrendous stories of low mileage failures, with short journeys contributing greatly to the early failure. Moreover, stop/start adds to the issue, killing the oil supply to the turbo which can lead to early failure. I’ve just had the chain stretch test done on my 95k Discovery Sport with no evidence of stretch - phew. I’ve only owned the car for 10 months and 13k mile having failed to do my research when my trusty FL2 hiccup’d. It’s now a constant worry at the back of my mind and going forward, it’s a 6k oil change regime for me. I love the car - it works extremely well as my family/deer stalking car but the worry about chain snap, dpf or turbo failure with the 2.0 L engine is massive. Wish I’d gone petrol……..

I’m in the same boat… had the car about 18 months and is currently in the garage for the third time with DPF / ad blue issues etc.

Would touch another … or a car with DPF as blue system.