Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement

[Smellydog]

Immagene if they worked out some 223 projectiles ar bigger than some 6mm projectiles

As soon as viable I think I'm off to NZ.

Good point.
So one can't shoot a 70gn 6mm bullet anymore but one can in a 223 because is 5.56mm.

Good old British bs again.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I’ve read all this between catching carp in Holland, IF everyone just went off the radar and didn’t mention it, carried on as normal without opening their trap or opinion, then this would have disappeared, like I said BASC kicked this hornets nest, now they need to get stung.

Really what needs to happen is for members to continue leaving BASC in protest of their evident wisdom several years ago then they might sit back and listen until then they’ll just keep on trying to nurse the wound that they created.

Personally, I’m just gonna carry on regardless and not take a blind bit of notice!

 

[Liveonce]

A typical response from a clueless amateur.

who cannot count. 8) is down twice.

 

[Liveonce]

So you will have a few choices then

1) Do your long range gong bashing on an approved range where lead bullets are captured and can be removed.

2) use a cheaper target version of a monolithic bullet to shoot your gongs on an unapproved range.

3) you can carry on shooting crows etc with a 22 centrefire rifle - these are not covered by the ban

4) you can improve your stalking skills and get a bit closer than 400 metres of a deer. Frankly any bullet at 400 metres has little energy. I haven’t tried shooting deer at 400m nor do I have any desire to try.

5) Your comments on BCs of Monolithics being half that of lead?

The 7mm 139gn GMX Mono - BC is 0.486.

Meanwhile their 7mm 139gn SST lead core and Interbond bullets are also 0.486.

Admittedly that is straight from their old load 9th edition manual so I expect developments in the last year or two must have hugely diverged things.

7) You choose to shoot how many rounds to shoot in a plinking session. 50 to 60 rounds of any centre fire is already costing you at least £50 to £60. Nobody is making you spend that money.

If costs go up, you can either spend more or shoot less. Again its your choice.

8) as for your 30 to 50 deer. You either have to buy no other household meat, or you sell them to a game dealer. Either way your bullet costs are offset by the value you gain. Monolithics cause less damage , which means better meat recovery.


8) or you can take up golf.

1) ranges are not free to use and may not be local.

3) are you 100% certain on this as some are saying the exemption is for .22 rimfire only.

 

[Greenmist]

If its an unacceptable risk why the exemptions for the police and military?

What they shoot doesn't end up in the food chain

 

[Tim.243]

Good point.
So one can't shoot a 70gn 6mm bullet anymore but one can in a 223 because is 5.56mm.

Good old British bs again.

My route will wait for the final door is shut for the .243 and the rounds I use, then buy a .223 for Muntjac/Foxes, use the .270 with a copper round we have a load for on the Reds/Fallow. A couple more cell cameras will give me the info I need but the .223 will be out in the April/August lull of the big deer just the same, at some point I expect the .243 barrel will start to drop off with wear so with the higher numbers being small deer and foxes a new .223 will see me out. One last thing to change will be to Tim.223 lol
I have 52 years of good shooting behind me at the moment and well all have to pack up at some point, health/transport will be key to keep shooting so .44 of a mm will be less important.

 

[Tim.243]

Immagene if they worked out some 223 projectiles ar bigger than some 6mm projectiles

As soon as viable I think I'm off to NZ.

Post your bits for sale as "emigrating to NZ " as there is often a bargain to be picked up.

 

[wildfowler.250]

The polluter should pay. And yes I have read the HSE documents, and also guidance being produced by the NRA and started thinking how we manage within the rifle club.

We in the shooting community have already had many years to think about this and to develop new ways of doing things. Many of us have.

I’ve been using steel shot for wildfowl for years now and have also used non toxic / copper on estate days.

Honest thoughts:

Most non-toxic works but it’s just not as effective. My duck load has dropped 2 pellet sizes and gone up by about 6 grams to get a similar effect.
I will throw in that for wildfowl, some of this TSS shot seems better than lead albeit crippling costs.

Now I can see the proposed benefit in wildfowl not eating spent pellets.

Non toxic rifle, you have to drop the weight and drive it faster. I’m honestly not convinced that you get the same number of ‘bang flops’ with chest shots with copper,(and I know some keepers also feel this way). I completely understand deer going to the general public being lead free from a buyer perspective. I cannot see the environmental benefit in this transition. I’d have thought the game dealers and consumers should be setting the restrictions and not at a government level for folk shooting for personal consumption.

In truth it does feel like BASC and everyone else have rolled over with this. Yes I’m glad there’s been improvements in non toxic over the years but I’m not convinced the environmental benefits are there for a mandatory change in rifle shooting.

 

[Tim.243]

I’ve read all this between catching carp in Holland, IF everyone just went off the radar and didn’t mention it, carried on as normal without opening their trap or opinion, then this would have disappeared, like I said BASC kicked this hornets nest, now they need to get stung.

Really what needs to happen is for members to continue leaving BASC in protest of their evident wisdom several years ago then they might sit back and listen until then they’ll just keep on trying to nurse the wound that they created.

Personally, I’m just gonna carry on regardless and not take a blind bit of notice!

Stick to Carp fishing Lee you are better at that than pigeon shooting
Nice picture of the fish btw who would have thought a Norfolk Hillbilly could catch that many fish!

 

[Greener Jim]

1) ranges are not free to use and may not be local.

3) are you 100% certain on this as some are saying the exemption is for .22 rimfire only.

Nobody can be 100% certain, as we don't know what Gov will actually put into law.
However the HSE consultation recommendations simply state that 6.17mm and larger would be restricted to non-lead, and anything under that would not.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Stick to Carp fishing Lee you are better at that than pigeon shooting
Nice picture of the fish btw who would have thought a Norfolk Hillbilly could catch that many fish!

Just like this stalking you have to be in the right place at the right time

 

[Liveonce]

Some airguns are shooting stuff bigger than .22.
Discuss!

very good point, may be we will see airgun manufactures upping the FAC ft/lb even further for the .25 and .30 air rifles and then we will have the situation like the long barrel pistols as a work round the law.

 

[Greener Jim]

very good point, may be we will see airgun manufactures upping the FAC ft/lb even further for the .25 and .30 air rifles and then we will have the situation like the long barrel pistols as a work round the law.

What would that work around?

 

[Liveonce]

What would that work around?

air gun pellets are exempt, not included in the lead ban.

like this

Western Rattler Full-/Semi Automatic PCP Rifle | .30 | .357 cal

Looking for a high quality semi-automatic PCP that can reach over 350 joules in .357?

www.airgunseurope.com

 

[Greener Jim]

air gun pellets are exempt, not included in the lead ban.

I know, but what would the situation you stated work around?

 

[Liveonce]

I know, but what would the situation you stated work around?

depends if the only calibre exempt is .22lr then possibly a increase in energy for a .25 or .30 air rifle would make for a good pest control rifle including for fox.

The Gun Trade association state that only .22 rimfire is exempt, let’s hope that is wrong.

 

[KimE]

The fact that many of the shooting community have consumed lead shot game without developing any clinical symptoms as a consequence is evidence that it isn't harmful and exposes significant failings of medical science to explain this

We are just bad hunters, an increased level of lead in the bloodsystem has been meassured in pregnant Eskimo women who eats 200+ lead shot birds each year.

 

[Greener Jim]

depends if the only calibre exempt is .22lr then possibly a increase in energy for a .25 or .30 air rifle would make for a good pest control rifle including for fox.

The Gun Trade association state that only .22 rimfire is exempt, let’s hope that is wrong.

I see what you're saying, in that specific scenario it would hold some merit.

Could you link to that GTA statement please?

 

[Liveonce]

I see what you're saying, in that specific scenario it would hold some merit.

Could you link to that GTA statement please?

only have it as an email forwarded on to me by a RFD.

 

[Dave_45]

It may have been on here or maybe Faceache , but I saw a post about the lead ban screenshotted.

Directly beneath in the comments section


“Good,let’s get non lead banned next”

I’m not a tinfoil hat wearer but I don’t believe the government want us owning sporting firearms for much longer.

Cut a little here a little there and they won’t notice springs to mind.