Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement
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timbrayford
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Just cartridges show a lot of out of stock options, nbg to anyone
timbrayford
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The UK is a tiny part of the world market, apart from miniscule supplies at a premium price why should they bother?
Whitefront
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Oh dear.
"The polluter pays" is a maxim of environmental law that has developed over recent decades. Look it up. As a farmer, I am all too aware of how it is used (or abused) in the context of land management. It's popping up everywhere nowadays.
I simply mentioned it - without expressing any opinion on its merits - because I am sure it will be deployed by the usual suspects to counter any claims for buybacks of either ammo or guns. Does anybody think Comrade Reeves will be eager to use public money to reimburse the owners of old Purdeys who, despite years of warning, were apparently caught out by impending lead restrictions? They make the WASPI women look prescient.
I do feel sorry for ardent leaddites. They seem prone to anxiety and anger issues (never a good thing for certificate holders.)
Please forgive me if I carry on enjoying my (lead free) shooting with friends and family. Hope you cheer up soon.
Because they do not need to use biodegradable wads or comply with CIP in the USA.
What gamebore was saying was the cost of R&D and producing an injection mould to manufacture the wads is not justified and very unlikely to make a return on the investment.
A lot of .410 use is with suppressed guns, they will be like peashooters with steel shot.
last time I looked on just cartridges every non toxic 28ga cartridge was with bismuth shot I wonder why? oh I know same reason gamebore are not going to make .410 in steel shot.
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not if it makes no business sense making a significant financial investment in a product with little sales demand.
Tim Woodhouse and others spoke of this years back and biodegradable wads has just made a bad situation worse.
fourten shotgun resource site (.410 gauge)
fourten shotgun and shotshell reloading resource site (.410)
www.fourten.org.uk
Don’t expect the EU component manufacturers to come rushing to save us especially as they are pushing back on a ban on lead suggesting a ten year transition period.
We may end up with a small niche manufacturer like jocker using cardboard tube wads but unlikely to see all the big players bother with steel in small gauges especially given their limit use with steel shot.
This is where shooters have failed over the many years by not standing together.
For we all need each other. As we lose part of the sport, like practical shotgun, and others give up due to cost or
lack of interest in not being able to shoot what they once did, the sales fall further and further for the industry, shops, distributors, ranges and clay grounds close.
We experienced it after the pistol ban and guess what happens , your lead free shooting becomes more and more expensive, possibly the bullets you are using no longer justify being made or imported or the cartridges likewise and the sales of the alternative, well they need to pay for the running and profit via smaller sales volume, so up the prices, go which drives more out the sport.
Do you see where this all end?
timbrayford
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An exemption for shotgun calibres smaller than 12 bore would make sense, perhaps the big challenge will be a large shooting organisation that doesn't want to entertain the idea?
timbrayford
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I believe that the words that you seek are "blow you, I'm alright Jack"?
C? plus it is a rare earth metal makes no long term sense using it in shotguns when humanity has much better uses for it. Like growing crystals
Give the man a coconut........the PR of C produces 80% of the stuff globally. And, it can be both toxic to humans, and have anti cancer properties.
Not sure how geese and ducks are affected by it though.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7151860/
haz-map.com
(Sorry, I used to be an industrial chemist...)
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Not sure how geese and ducks are affected by it though.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7151860/
Bismuth - Hazardous Agents | Haz-Map
Bismuth agent detailed information in Haz-Map database.
haz-map.com
(Sorry, I used to be an industrial chemist...)
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Heym SR20
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There is and will be lots of innovation going on, and now that it looks like there will definitely be a market new lead free products I see the likes of Hortonium having a bright future. They claim a product denser than lead and more affordable than bismuth. The even have developed 22 long rifle options that work. They might do shot that will work in 410’s, damascus barrels, muzzleloaders and those rifles that use unjacketed bullets.
timbrayford
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Therein lies a glimmer of hope, if ever it becomes widely available in the near future. At the moment there a number of inter-related issues:- the ban on lead shot, issues caused both by plastic wads and their biodegradable replacements, lack of widely available alternatives and steel shot being foisted on us with all its negative consequences.There is and will be lots of innovation going on, and now that it looks like there will definitely be a market new lead free products I see the likes of Hortonium having a bright future. They claim a product denser than lead and more affordable than bismuth. The even have developed 22 long rifle options that work. They might do shot that will work in 410’s, damascus barrels, muzzleloaders and those rifles that use unjacketed bullets.
I have a pair of wigeon, cock and hen, mounted in a glass case in my attic. Shot by me as a true "right and left" with my late father's G E Lewis 20 bore on my own pond whilst fishing. The cartridges where from the odds and sods box so there was a Milward's "Blitz" from Aylestone Gun Company and a Hull Three Crowns. Both fibre wad and from memory I've no idea the shot weight. Could have used it to shoot easily a half dozen Canada geese at a sitting but didn't like the eating of them so left them alone save shooting the odd one that looked as if it might start to nest on the island in the middle of the pond. All in the days of lead of course.
As for Hortonium? Well I've a mate in London got a bridge to sell. Anyone interested? Or, simply, it seems to have been all puff, all smoke, all flash and then? Nix, nada, zilch. I wish them all success but I wish they'd also hurry up!
There is and will be lots of innovation going on, and now that it looks like there will definitely be a market new lead free products I see the likes of Hortonium having a bright future. They claim a product denser than lead and more affordable than bismuth. The even have developed 22 long rifle options that work. They might do shot that will work in 410’s, damascus barrels, muzzleloaders and those rifles that use unjacketed bullets.
cheaper than bismuth likely less by a tiny amount, cheaper or equal to steel or lead no way.You can only use what’s in the periodic table in this universe
“nice shot” was about in the usa that was a lead substitute but again silly price.
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