Lung Worm?

[foxdropper]

Only two roe in 30 odd years mate so it isn’t rife in them .Further South it’s endemic in the reds but odd cases here .

 

[South of the M4]

If you say so sir .
Whether the smell ,yellowing is secondary or not ,it was present in both the conformed cases I’ve shot from our area .Both roe were looking out of sorts ,poor coat and wasted .Eyes glazed .On seeing this again I shall cull but not open as i said .The need to open a definite unfit beast fails me when there is a distinct chance of contamination not only to the man but to the broader section of wildlife .TB as I understand is zoonotic is it not so why mess about with that when incineration is at hand .
The lay stalker is not a veterinarian ,does not need to be but on recognition of something not right we have to make a judgement as to best practice .That for me is incinerate without worrying too much about causes unless widespread ,Deer suffer with maladies ,excepted but I’m not too interested in prolonging an inquest having seen the fuss made previous .Cull ,incinerate .

Perhaps you could open such a carcass and, through APHA, discover it was Chronic Wasting Disease, present in many States in the US and now found in mainland Northern Europe. Fears are that it will cross the North Sea. But as you won’t be opening malnourished carcasses, the disease will never be found until it is more widespread and someone eventually does the right thing. A local cull will not then be possible and our deer countrywide could be decimated.
You talk of contaminating man and a broader section of wildlife by inspecting the internals, but the chances of this are vanishingly small.

I feel this is a fair call, not least as you are in a high TB area. If I was presented with an emaciated beast of that description in a known high TB area, I'd be very cautious about opening it up.
Smell is a fair guide to, "not right". I can recall a slaughterman on a cattle line picking up a pluck and flinging it into the waste. It looked fine, I asked why, and he said, "smelt wrong".

Slaughtermen flinging away plucks because they don’t smell right sounds a strange practice. Isn’t every pluck and carcass to be inspected so it can be health marked with a personal and plant stamp?
The very fact that it was spotted as abnormal should have brought it to someones attention so you could more closely look at the carcass, head or green offal. Are you sure the man wasn’t just pulling your chain? Vets are not the most welcome of people on the slaughter floor.

Only two roe in 30 odd years mate so it isn’t rife in them .Further South it’s endemic in the reds but odd cases here.

You say there is only the odd case in your area, but if everyone did as you do and not open sickly or emaciated carcases, nobody would find any bTB and thus it would go away, simples!

 

[foxdropper]

You do your own thing mate and I will do mine .I’ve written as plain as I can my reasons for my action .If Tb we’re rife in the deer in our area I would know about it and as for the chance of contamination ,very real mate .
Tb is here to stay whether in cattle or deer ,it’s the regularity that is the problem not the cause .
Emaciated beasts are in my opinion best culled and incinerated whatever the cause .Just my opinion mind .

 

[Buchan]

Are you sure the man wasn’t just pulling your chain? Vets are not the most welcome of people on the slaughter floor

HA! Could be. With line speeds being what they are (too fast) I'm aware they chuck for the slightest issue

 

[foxdropper]

You say there is only the odd case in your area, but if everyone did as you do and not open sickly or emaciated carcases, nobody would find any bTB and thus it would go away, simples!

Ok lets be realistic here .Nobodies saying don’t open up sickly deer but as hunters we are not trained to diagnose disease only report it on occasion if warranted and prevent anything iffy from entering the food chain .
Having seen the outward signs of Tb I don’t feel the need to open up and confirm the beast isn’t fit to consume .
Hope this clears that up a bit

 

[South of the M4]

Ok lets be realistic here .Nobodies saying don’t open up sickly deer but as hunters we are not trained to diagnose disease only report it on occasion if warranted and prevent anything iffy from entering the food chain .
Having seen the outward signs of Tb I don’t feel the need to open up and confirm the beast isn’t fit to consume .
Hope this clears that up a bit

Anyone with a DSC 1 is supposedly trained to diagnose disease ( ) and is able to sell small quantities of venison without further checks as a ‘trained hunter’, so it is incorrect to say otherwise.
There are no ‘outward signs of TB’ you can remotely rely on - emaciation and dull coats can be any number of other things.
I’m not wishing to be argumentative with you, but when posts are plainly wrong, I cannot help but to try and correct them if I feel able.
Safe hunting!
Atb

Larry

 

[foxdropper]

Anyone with a DSC 1 is supposedly trained to diagnose disease ( ) and is able to sell small quantities of venison without further checks as a ‘trained hunter’, so it is incorrect to say otherwise.
There are no ‘outward signs of TB’ you can remotely rely on - emaciation and dull coats can be any number of other things.
I’m not wishing to be argumentative with you, but when posts are plainly wrong, I cannot help but to try and correct them if I feel able.
Safe hunting!
Atb

Larry

No mate the DSC1 allows you spot signs all is not right and in no way makes you able to diagnose anything despite what many claim .If on spotting these signs you chose to put that beast in the food chain ,any come back lies squarely with you .If however ,what you see requires further investigation we have vets in labs for such purpose and our duty is done .
This is where the buck stops with us trained hunters and rightly so .
Where do I mention the selling of carcasses by anyone
Im guessing you arnt a vet are merely a trained hunter like myself so don’t be getting above your station
Outward signs of emaciation and dull coat IS a sign of TB as well as other maladies and enough to condemn the beast in my eyes .You carry on rummaging in rank rumens mate and I’ll just incinerate .I don’t mean to be argument either but am quite content to stick it to ya if you want .
Regard UTNG