MADE IN CHINA

B&W FOX

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Searching through some of my suppliers web sites and this on is from the front page of Kinney's, fair play to them.



We are in the process of removing from our website products that are manufactured in Communist China.
Use the Made in China link to see the specific products. These items all have significantly reduced prices and will not be re-ordered once they have been sold.
No China Sales
 
And bare in mind that most of the hi tech brands will state “designed in xxx” and are assembled in China. It isn’t a quality issue but a manufacturing scale that no one else can achieve.

No worse than the U.K. did in the 19th Century. Created an Empire in order to move manufacturing to a lower cost location 🥸. China is what Britain was, but with better food..........

No one wants back breaking industry now.
 
If everybody was happy to pay more for products then nobody would buy from China. However, everybody wants the cheapest price so it is almost impossible to “not buy from China”.

Yes that’s the short term view. The long term view is we pay a bit more for British or more locally manufactured products but in the long term this means more people in work and a return to near full employment, more taxes being collected by government (both income and corporation tax), less money being spent on welfare, resulting in significant income tax reductions, putting more money in our pockets to buy the slightly more expensive products. The status quo is a reverse of the above, which is a race to the bottom for all in the UK and the US. I’m in favour of boycotting goods made in China but it would be a be a very brave Prime Minster that would tough out the difficulties of the short term to realise the long term gains.
 
The thing is its easy enough on single items but once you get into large items with multiple components I would say it would be very difficult, just look at the beginning of the pandemic the motor industry was struggling having put all their eggs in one basket for supply of components.
 
Yes that’s the short term view. The long term view is we pay a bit more for British or more locally manufactured products but in the long term this means more people in work and a return to near full employment, more taxes being collected by government (both income and corporation tax), less money being spent on welfare, resulting in significant income tax reductions, putting more money in our pockets to buy the slightly more expensive products. The status quo is a reverse of the above, which is a race to the bottom for all in the UK and the US. I’m in favour of boycotting goods made in China but it would be a be a very brave Prime Minster that would tough out the difficulties of the short term to realise the long term gains.
all very logical but doesn't fit with the great British public. People folk in droves to the likes of Primark and Tesco and the only thing they care about is having more £'s left to spend on booze, holidays etc.
 
all very logical but doesn't fit with the great British public. People folk in droves to the likes of Primark and Tesco and the only thing they care about is having more £'s left to spend on booze, holidays etc.
Because we don't have any money! Accomodation costs have gone through the roof while wages have stagnated. My wife's uncle has just sold his house in Hove for 10 times what he paid for it yet his wage for the last 30 years hasn't gone up by a ten fold increase (it has gone up but not even close in comparison). I would bet that every households biggest percentage of outgoing is purely on accomodation. The only people who are better off are landlords and developers.
 
Because we don't have any money! Accomodation costs have gone through the roof while wages have stagnated. My wife's uncle has just sold his house in Hove for 10 times what he paid for it yet his wage for the last 30 years hasn't gone up by a ten fold increase (it has gone up but not even close in comparison). I would bet that every households biggest percentage of outgoing is purely on accomodation. The only people who are better off are landlords and developers.
....and your wife's uncle!
 
all very logical but doesn't fit with the great British public. People folk in droves to the likes of Primark and Tesco and the only thing they care about is having more £'s left to spend on booze, holidays etc.

Unfortunately this is true, and means we will continue buying goods from the cheapest places around the world, but to compensate we will continue paying high taxes to cover the high and increasing welfare bill.
 
Unfortunately this is true, and means we will continue buying goods from the cheapest places around the world, but to compensate we will continue paying high taxes to cover the high and increasing welfare bill.

And its a downward spiral from there!
 
There is a whole lot to this issue than just don't depend on China. There is that, there is greedy people who want to make the most money on a product so get it made in China instead of maybe making a bit less and get it manufactured at home, there is people in the UK who COULD work but are too lazy or feel entitled or they are above a certain job and look on it. There is too much push for every child to go to uni get a big degree in something completely useless and a snobbery to blue collar work. Let's face it 20 or 30 years ago a degree would probably have got you a good job as there wasn't as many students but now everyone has a degree and there simply isn't enough jobs to sustain that. And finally there is too much of a generous welfare state that does nothing only incentive people not to work they can get all they need for free. When society start to think they can get all this for free and somebody else will pay for it it is the start of a downfall. Of course I painted this all with a very broad brush and there are genuine exceptions to all this.
 
Let's face it 20 or 30 years ago a degree would probably have got you a good job as there wasn't as many students but now everyone has a degree
When I took my first degree in nineteen hundred and frozen to death, those graduating with a 1st Class were about 2% of graduates.
It now hovers around the 25% mark.

Have a look at what "courses" are now available at degree level - golf management, creative thinking, some real crackers out there.
The danger is that this latest generation end up with a worthless degree and ironically, a debt in the vicinity of £30,000 for the privilege.
 
It makes me smile when I see buy British.
I live in a town where there was two big knitwear/hosiery who supplied M&S and the quality had to be first class. Now they all buy from abroad. Both factorys now closed so can never go back to British quality. M&S not selling many clothes nowadays and the directors cannot understand why.
Well it is simple why pay M&S price when you can get the same quality from primark at primary prices.
 
Personally I always try and buy stuff made anywhere other than China ,but as has been said before manufacturers are sneaky fu**ers and have you believe the product has been made by them. Only to find out otherwise once you unbox it. I’m certainly more vigilant now.

HF
 
Is that really the way the 2nd Amendment is punctuated?
Different copies have different punctuation. The subject has been litigated extensively and - I believe - remains unresolved. I'm sure one of our resident Americans can tell us the story.
 
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