Maximum Range for Stalking

[Tulloch]

I think some of the folk giving you a hard time over this may not even own a rifle

Bloody good shot

I am trying not to be that critical haha

 

[Woodsmoke]

Completely agree, well said. Unless your an anti, shoot a blaser or worst, use a 270...

How very dare you!

 

[Tulloch]

Wasn't questioning your rifle only the range, it doesn't worry me what you shoot at whatever range and was only concerned for the Newbies reading such a thread thinking it was ok to take shots without knowing the possible outcome of such a shot, Like you said bad choice of wording.

I would NEVER advocate that shot, that shot is down to personal choice and circumstance at the time., IF the coditions were different I would not have tried it , but I knew my data , I knew my DOPE for the scope and I have practiced that shot over 100times. My main fault these days is that I get more of a rush watching my guests shoot a deer than I am, and I have had to clean up wounded deer caused by guests at that similar ranges before but in the end whether I am the guide or the shooter it is my decision and my responsibility, I accept that wholeheartedly hence why I am not wanting this thread to be removed.

My post on Instagram was never to prove I was a good shooter it was to prove the Sierra Prohunter is a fantastic bullet even at range.

 

[foxdropper]

Wow ,I cant get over the love we are all feeling on here now the morning blues have blown away .

 

[griff]

I think some of the folk giving you a hard time over this may not even own a rifle

Bloody good shot

Or even shot one!!

 

[foxdropper]

When has that ever stopped opinions though .

 

[Sika-Hunter]

My post on Instagram was never to prove I was a good shooter it was to prove the Sierra Prohunter is a fantastic bullet even at range.

Like ive said , not challenging your ability to get the job done only you opening wording on this thread.

 

[Tulloch]

I do think quite a few rifle and optics manufacturers would lose a lot of business if people bought equipment that suited their stalking ability .

With almost EVERY centrefire rifle 200m is point and shoot, there is no need for BDC reticles or Ballistic Turrets or Varmint/heavy barrels weighted precision stocks etc. a basicis 4x 6x or 8x by 42 or 50 scope will be fine and cheap ass factory bullets as long as it hits within a 4 inch target at 100m.

These days with innovation of rifle and bullet tech, including rifle harmonics, stock bedding, BAllistic turrets , data apps, Kestrels, BDC reticles, Schott glass Big mag scopes etc. all designed for shooting far longer ranges than 200 metres.

 

[foxdropper]

Most have them mate ,just don’t know what the **** it does .

 

[Tulloch]

Like ive said , not challenging your ability to get the job done only you opening wording on this thread.

I agree some of the wording should have been better chosen I admit to that . what was highlighted by the creator of this thread was NOT boasting although might have looked like it ,but, to my defence I was using language that was for a different forum and a different audience, on instagram only followers can see your posts unless you hashtag within the subject unfortunately it auto posted to my Facebook page before the OP reposted it here, However, in the OP's defence he does not know me from Adam although he started judgement over my instagram wording.

 

[foxdropper]

With the new scope fitted I’ll certainly be pushing the boundaries a bit ,must look out for mushroomed bullets though .

 

[Sika-Hunter]

Most have them mate ,just don’t know what the **** it does .

I dunno my iron sights are fine

 

[G1963]

I know if a few deer managers that shoot long range but only when they have a important cull?

 

[Tulloch]

With the new scope fitted I’ll certainly be pushing the boundaries a bit ,must look out for mushroomed bullets though .

If I didnt keep that stag for my own freezer I wouldnt have even come across it , I was always not sure about the Prohunters as they are so cheap but on paper they were perfect and seem to kill everything it hits but seeing how the bullet looked after the shot was proof to me it was a good choice.

 

[Tulloch]

I know if a few deer managers that shoot long range but only when they have a important cull?

Unfortunately that was me that day

 

[G1963]

Unfortunately that was me that day

Thought that may be what you were doing as you were discussing what happened to the bullet?
Like most if us the stalk is the main bit of fun the kill is only the end result stay safe regards Steve

 

[Tulloch]

I have read this entire thread and fair play to you saying it was you. You are clearly a good marksman and know your kit and what you are doing, I can happily say that you are a better shot than I am but I am always working to get better at any type of shooting with a rifle so I can be more confident and competent while out in the field. It is the responsibility of the person pulling the trigger to decide whether or not the shot is within their capability and there are so many factors involved for each individual shot I dont see how anyone can weigh in and attack someone for something that they don't know all the facts about. I have shot for long enough to know my own limits and will stick to them until I feel comfortable to do something different when I feel ready. I have noticed some members on here are somewhat hypocritical in making comments about not judging others when they were perfectly happy to judge me when I posted the results of trying something new to me and I was only shooting targets. I won't go any further and I won't judge anyone on their decisions, I have seen good and bad shooting in my time, it's not for us to judge.

Stay safe.
Dave

Hi Dave

Thank you for the kind compliment,

I am a competent long shot to a certain degree and confidence came with practice and some formal training, I am no way advocating that is normal shooting ranges on ANY animal for me or anyone else. Being able to shoot confident to your limits is always good but trusting your technology and the data provided for it is just as important and learning that is important also. I have in competition shot successfully at 500yrd movers then changing to static targets at different ranges and then back to the 500yrd movers changing dial at every change of targets within 90 seconds and the training to do that was intensive and trigger time is important to gain that confidence. Learning from people who were far superior shooters than I has also made me more confident and ultimately understand ALL my own rifles and equipment more, I am not saying that means that shooting deer at that range is the norm but it has been a journey before confidently taking shots like that.

I often get asked by novices for advice and never do I recommend shooting deer at long range that decision will always be up to the shooter, the main thing every shooter in my book has to be able to do is to take responsibility for every shot they take whether it was on paper or on an animal, I owned up to this being me because I am happy to take responsibility for it but I am also happy to give my point of view.

What I like about threads like this is that it opens up conversation on subjects that some people just do not like to talk about and I think possibly should be talked about more.

Anyways thank you for your comments

regards

David

 

[Tulloch]

Thought that may be what you were doing as you were discussing what happened to the bullet?
Like most if us the stalk is the main bit of fun the kill is only the end result stay safe regards Steve

When you get a call from the forester saying that he is having to report deer damage which is extensive in a hard to reach area sometimes choices have to be made. stay safe hope you are keeping well

 

[James0586]

Furthest I’m shooting at the moment is across the living room with my sons nerf gun!

All head and neck shots.... Practice makes perfect.

max range 20ft baby

 

[Dalua]

A .270 130gr flying at 3000fps (normally around 3100fps although mine shoots at 2954 fps with and SD of 9) is more likely to go through soft tissue and do less damage at 100yrds than what it is at 300yrds , as the bullet slows down the more it will be likely to fragment or expand a faster bullet wont expand qucik enough hence the design of ballistic tips etc .

That's interesting.
The bullet clearly lacked the oomph at that range to get all the way through the neck, but nevertheless expanded just fine - which is reassuring given the relatively-low impact velocity - perhaps about 2100fps? Standard softpoints are designed to behave like that I think - decent expansion down to lowish velocities.

I'd always imagined that a bullet would expand more at a higher impact velocity, and less at a lower: and I'm not sure I follow the argument that the expansion of the bullet is independent of the forces which act on it as it passes through the animal.
I'd have thought that had the bullet hit at a higher velocity, the force acting on it as it struck and on its way through would have been greater, and therefore the deformation would have been greater also - though you wouldn't have found most of the bullet, as it would have passed all the way through?