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davegixxer
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I believe it is to do with the safety areas/template for the affected certain ranges and the fact that 6.5mm ballistics exceed them so it unlikely to change until the safe zones are approved.
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ColinJ
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This is the bit I don’t understand. How many calibres exceed the 6.5 ballistics? There must be several.
Well 338LM will exceed it by a significant amount....but...that is a military calibre so is apparently fine
Whereas these civilian calibre are dangerous
Funny enough I was talking to someone at NRA about this and the new zero procedure at bisley yesterday as I'm there Tomorrow
the new zero procedure is nuts. Use a collimator and Zero your setup to 200m but shoot at 100m target . Aim for a specific point on that target so when you miss (as you obvs will as it's not zeroed right) you will still hit the berm
Anyway Apparently the problem was jacketed high velocity and high BC rounds hitting the floor and ricocheting off above the berm will escape the danger zone in a way even higher energy but softer,slower,heavier,less streamline rounds will not
(Since most common rounds aimed up at over 4 degrees will escape the danger area in any case which for some reason has always been fine)
It is completely unclear if older 6.5s like Swedish are banned now or will remain banned since they are not the issue but no one seems clear as some notices talk about bullet calibre and others talk about specific cartridges
Yes sorry it doesn't apply at bisley at all or some other ranges where they have a sufficient danger zone
I was asking because we are heading to bisley and got full chapter and verse since our club had been sent some previous notice saying banned altogether
And then another one detailing the specific zeroing procedure (which also isn't used at bisley)
And another one saying 6.5 was ok on certain ranges
Turns out none of that is correct for bisley but may apply in other ranges
For simplicity;
All 6.5mm are currently not allowed on MOD gallery ranges.
Other (non-MOD) ranges or field firing areas may have sufficient template to allow 6.5mm.
This is an ongoing process and I would like to think that the kinks will eventually be worked out.
Ref other calibres that have no military equivalent on MOD gallery ranges - so long as they conform to the MV and ME then carry on using them.
All 6.5mm are currently not allowed on MOD gallery ranges.
Other (non-MOD) ranges or field firing areas may have sufficient template to allow 6.5mm.
This is an ongoing process and I would like to think that the kinks will eventually be worked out.
Ref other calibres that have no military equivalent on MOD gallery ranges - so long as they conform to the MV and ME then carry on using them.
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The MOD range here at Strensal York has the 6.5 ban but also we have not any range bookings for months , It started with 6.5 Creedmore but now is all 6.5 .my point also is no bookings have been available to us so what ever calibre you have your still not going ...........
This is pretty much it, until they get off their butts (pun intended),
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National Rifle Association
Published on:
Oct 22, 2024
Following updated direction from DIO, NRA Clubs licenced to fire on Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO) ranges in the UK must comply with the following restrictions on the use of 6.5mm Creedmoor:
These restrictions are likely to remain in place until Defence has completed an evaluation of the new 6.5mm Creedmoor weapons system. NRA Members, Club Officials and RCOs should be patient and allow our colleagues in Defence to complete the process. The NRA and its members enjoy privileged access to military ranges; let us keep this top of mind.
These restrictions do not apply at the National Shooting Centre Bisley.
Nic Couldrey
Regional Ranges Manager
21st October 2024
Incidentally, a few years back we were informed on the range day at Altcar, moderators were not to be used .................... it lasted a couple of days.
No explanation I can remember.
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National Rifle Association
Published on:
Oct 22, 2024
Following updated direction from DIO, NRA Clubs licenced to fire on Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO) ranges in the UK must comply with the following restrictions on the use of 6.5mm Creedmoor:
- The use of 6.5mm Creedmoor by NRA Clubs is restricted to fixed ranges with a 3700m danger area
- As part of the planning process and range recce, Club Officials and RCOs must check the suitability of the range for the intended shooting activity. Consult Range Standing Orders and refer questions to the Training Safety Officer (TSO)
- Note local restrictions may apply on fixed ranges; not all ranges that permit the use of 8.59mm by qualified military users are approved for civilian use of 6.5mm Creedmoor
These restrictions are likely to remain in place until Defence has completed an evaluation of the new 6.5mm Creedmoor weapons system. NRA Members, Club Officials and RCOs should be patient and allow our colleagues in Defence to complete the process. The NRA and its members enjoy privileged access to military ranges; let us keep this top of mind.
These restrictions do not apply at the National Shooting Centre Bisley.
Nic Couldrey
Regional Ranges Manager
21st October 2024
Incidentally, a few years back we were informed on the range day at Altcar, moderators were not to be used .................... it lasted a couple of days.
No explanation I can remember.
trickie
Well-Known Member
Let’s cut to the chase hereFind below the link to the relevant document.
My insider’s views are, That it will take time (no **** Sherlok)
As it’s the RM’s that are looking to use the 6.5 it will get resolved. If that means more hoops to jump through (HMV zero every visit for example) then so be it.
My insider’s views are, That it will take time (no **** Sherlok)
As it’s the RM’s that are looking to use the 6.5 it will get resolved. If that means more hoops to jump through (HMV zero every visit for example) then so be it.
This is pretty common across MOD ranges. There was a major upsurge in training a force (ongoing), which meant that other units are having to push wider to maintain currency etc.
This means that they will take priority over a civilian club, no matter how far in advance a range is booked. If a mil unit needs it on a Sat/Sun, they will get priority.
We've experienced this a few times over the last few years, so it's not uncommon, but I appreciate that when it it starts happen in usually quiet areas it is not a pleasant experience to get unceremoniously bumped.
Gallery range usually means rifles firing pistol calibres (9mm. 44mag. 45ACP. 38spl etc)
Those tend to have muzzle energy well under 1000 ft lbs and large projectile so relatively slow and short distance overshoot
Not sure how that is relevant for 6.5cm but they do have running boar at bisley which is a gallery range I think
Those tend to have muzzle energy well under 1000 ft lbs and large projectile so relatively slow and short distance overshoot
Not sure how that is relevant for 6.5cm but they do have running boar at bisley which is a gallery range I think
The term ‘Gallery Rifle’ which is a term currently applied to the rifles you mention shouldn’t be confused with ‘Gallery range’.
A ‘gallery range’ is one which complies to certain range design principles. Most of the outdoor 100 yard to 600 yard (or longer) ranges owned/operated by the MOD or civilian clubs are ‘gallery ranges’ - as are (generally) the short 25 or 50 yard ranges. Typical features of a gallery range are a formed backstop & often some form of wing berm (artificial or natural).
I believe that's an ex-MOD anti-tank range, now owned operated by NRA/NSC/Bisley.
