Utectok
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They cost a couple of quid I have two or three for flytying and looking for coolant leaks in my landrover groan
National campaign launched to tackle firearm certificate fraud
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Utectok
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timbrayford
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I prefer to dump the whole transfers and payment issue on my local RFD and I'm more than happy to pay for the privilege.
Did they get it second hand from the post office?
Utectok
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My understanding is the forgeries are not done to a high standard and only need to be inspected by the man selling the firearm who have little idea what to look for. I think they are photoshop jobs. Next time I’m selling a firearm I’ll take along a uv torch a simple no brainer seems to me.
Where are these published/recorded? If there are so many you would think someone could cite a few….
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Loler UK
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Yeah, just like how GCHQ publish what they've thwarted.
Let the criminals know which ones they know about so they can work out how to improve their methods.You don't need to be a mensa member to work out how easy this type of fraud is. Even RFD's don't check the status of an FAC with the police, there is no requirement to do so.
The current procedure of transfer is deeply flawed from a security perspective. Instances of fraud go back decades it amazes me it's not more frequent to be honest.
Using an uninformative americanism to describe a number which you state may be either as low as two instances every 56 years or as high as a million times a minute, doesn't do anything to enlighten.
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Utectok
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Sometimes I think forums are mad. All this…. we must know how often it happens…. it’s a conspiracy…. the system is broken nonsense?! I mean if it happens once that’s a problem right?
I’m grateful that there has been a campaign to highlight the existing safety features in the certification and happy to use them if I sell some firearms in the future. It seems as simple as that…… all the rest is bunker mentality which I can’t be bothered with. Keep life simple I say.
I’m grateful that there has been a campaign to highlight the existing safety features in the certification and happy to use them if I sell some firearms in the future. It seems as simple as that…… all the rest is bunker mentality which I can’t be bothered with. Keep life simple I say.
Yeah, just like how GCHQ publish what they've thwarted.
You don't need to be a mensa member to work out how easy this type of fraud is. Even RFD's don't check the status of an FAC with the police, there is no requirement to do so.
The current procedure of transfer is deeply flawed from a security perspective. Instances of fraud go back decades it amazes me it's not more frequent to be honest.
carlisleredneck
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As has been mentioned before, a complete overhaul with credit card style licenses would be the best way to go.
QR code on the license, app on the phone, scan the code and enter the gun details. Data base updates automatically, nice and easy.
Also, if a driving licence or passport is good for 10 years then why not a firearm or shotgun ticket. Your health can deteriorate while you hold a driving licence and nobody has a meltdown about that, if something gets flagged up it gets addressed. How many people are running about who can’t read the number plate at 21 meters? But nobody is calling for eye tests every 5 years.
QR code on the license, app on the phone, scan the code and enter the gun details. Data base updates automatically, nice and easy.
Also, if a driving licence or passport is good for 10 years then why not a firearm or shotgun ticket. Your health can deteriorate while you hold a driving licence and nobody has a meltdown about that, if something gets flagged up it gets addressed. How many people are running about who can’t read the number plate at 21 meters? But nobody is calling for eye tests every 5 years.
Nope…it’s about risk assessment, to know how high the risk is we need to know the probability of the occurrence, otherwise it’s wasted efforts that could be used elsewhere in a hugely flawed system.
And call me cynical but will be used as a rod for certain holders backs.
Surely you’d have been better asking the NCA to provide the figures that constitute the ‘surge’ they refer to. Or to ask Polis Scotland to provide you with the figures they provided the NCA. Either way this should be a quick & easy thing to do as they form the basis of the argument in the first place… cynical, moi, of course not
Both should lead to the same response. It should be data that was already defined and sorted - that’s why I’m not really buying it.Surely you’d have been better asking the NCA to provide the figures that constitute the ‘surge’ they refer to. Or to ask Polis Scotland to provide you with the figures they provided the NCA. Either way this should be a quick & easy thing to do as they form the basis of the argument in the first place… cynical, moi, of course not
To say there is an issue they must’ve mined the data already.
doric_prince
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Try narrowing the question you ask, or redrafting it in such a way to make it more specific. it might be that it’s breadth that’s causing too many man hours to sift through data and provide an answer.
Och, I don’t think it’ll matter…it likely won’t make any difference to the outcome i’m afraid:
ContinShots
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Surely it is possible to tell. All transfers are notifiable. All legally bought from new and sold secondhand firearms are traceable. If you sell a firearm to someone with a fake certificate and the notify the plod as you must, they will surely work out (immediately or eventually) that the buyer had a fake certificate?
