New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)

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25 Sharps said:
Not really, the carcass still goes into the food chain, and the aim is (should be) to kill the animal as quickly and humanely as possible.

Rather than dragging it by its mouth out into an atmosphere where it can’t breath.
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What you have to remember is this, guns will be banned before fishing rods!

It will only take another public, legally own gun related disaster and we’re all up the swannie
 
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25 Sharps said:
I think the crux of it is people generally say that they don't enjoy the killing part, but in my view they do (even if they won't admit) because its part of the overall enjoyment and can't be separated out. As I say, it is a good example of cognitive dissonance, they enjoy it but they don't feel they should enjoy it, so they deny it is part of the enjoyment, saying they enjoy every other part of the stalk just not the kill, the kill that defines the act of hunting.
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My point exactly just portrayed better 👍 Glad someone's honest.
 
willie_gunn said:
Oh I 100% think @25 Sharps is being honest.

But I also think @VSS and @Norfolk Deer Search are being 100% honest.

What's truly bizarre is that some here feel compelled to try and convince others over something as subjective, complex and unmeasurable as an emotion!
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I’m honest because I’ve killed, I’ve killed more deer what most people can dream of over the last 25 years!

Now I shoot the please myself, not others.

But also travelling into Germany, getting my dog from German and going through all the hoops and hurdles that I have I’ve also seen as a tracker all the disasters that go with killing as well that’s a bit that doesn’t sit well with me so nowadays I just please myself then I’ve only got to worry about myself and what I do

But unfortunately, everything I say is a curse because I tell the truth and as I see it, it won’t be the same as everybody else’s views but unfortunately black is black. White is white with me there is no Gray like I said it’s a curse.
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
I’m honest because I’ve killed, I’ve killed more deer what most people can dream of over the last 25 years!

Now I shoot the please myself, not others.

But also travelling into Germany, getting my dog from German and going through all the hoops and hurdles that I have I’ve also seen as a tracker all the disasters that go with killing as well that’s a bit that doesn’t sit well with me so nowadays I just please myself then I’ve only got to worry about myself and what I do

But unfortunately, everything I say is a curse because I tell the truth and as I see it, it won’t be the same as everybody else’s views but unfortunately black is black. White is white with me there is no Gray like I said it’s a curse.
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It’s not a curse, you live for the reaction. 😜
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
But unfortunately, everything I say is a curse because I tell the truth and as I see it, it won’t be the same as everybody else’s views but unfortunately black is black. White is white with me there is no Gray like I said it’s a curse.
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Same here ..I tell the truth. No grey areas.

Cognitive dissonance is real 🤣
 
25 Sharps said:
Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just pointing out I don’t think people are honest with themselves.
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Oh, I'm being totally honest with myself and with you when I say that I personally don't enjoy killing deer. Deer are fascinating and beautiful animals, and I'd far rather see them out and about in the countryside than hanging in the chiller.

Now I absolutely do enjoy being outside, and I enjoy watching deer, and I enjoy pitting myself against them. I enjoy it that much that I do it in some form or another most days of the week. But as to killing them? It really is a case of meh......I can take it or leave it. As said above, if I never had to kill another deer it wouldn't bother me one jot - so long as the deer are there I can always go out and shoot them with a camera.

We have a cull plan of typically 100 deer a year. Maybe that's what makes a difference, as a cull plan means pressure to kill deer, which tends to detract from any enjoyment. Your purpose is to go out to kill deer, and if that happens within 2 minutes of getting out of the truck, all the better, as you can get the carcass back into the chiller and move on to something else. Not much thrill of the chase there!

That's also why I personally find I get more enjoyment from guiding someone else onto a deer so that they can kill it, or witnessing a DSC2 Candidate killing a deer.

The end result is just the same - a dead deer, another one off the cull - and someone got to enjoy it.
 
willie_gunn said:
Oh, I'm being totally honest with myself and with you when I say that I personally don't enjoy killing deer. Deer are fascinating and beautiful animals, and I'd far rather see them out and about in the countryside than hanging in the chiller.
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So why kill them ? Just leave them to exist and enjoy their lives in the countryside.

Be honest are they really causing any harm ?
 
Nickb said:
So why kill them ? Just leave them to exist and enjoy their lives in the countryside.

Be honest are they really causing any harm ?
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The muntjac certainly are, particularly in terms of their impact on bluebells, orchids, and other indicator species in ancient woodland, of which we're fortunate to have a fair amount.

We've also had several cases of bTB in muntjac, so controlling them as much as possible is high up on the priority list.
 
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willie_gunn said:
The muntjac certainly are, particularly in terms of their impact on bluebells, orchids, and other indicator species in ancient woodland, of which we're fortunate to have a fair amount.

We've also had several cases of bTB in muntjac, so controlling them as much as possible is high up on the priority list.
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That old chestnut 🌰 Im killing deer to save the bluebells 🤣🤣

Nothing to do with you enjoy stalking and killing them 👍
 
Nickb said:
So why kill them ? Just leave them to exist and enjoy their lives in the countryside.

Be honest are they really causing any harm ?
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If you had them you would see what they do when trying to get the likes of hornbeam re established in a wood after it is has been cut and processed.
 
Tim.243 said:
If you had them you would see what they do when trying to get the likes of hornbeam re established in a wood after it is has been cut and processed.
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So Timmy you shoot muntjac to save hornbeam , it gets better this.

Question: do you enjoy shooting muntjac ?

Honest answer only 👍
 
Nickb said:
So Timmy you shoot muntjac to save hornbeam , it gets better this.

Question: do you enjoy shooting muntjac ?

Honest answer only 👍
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No I shoot muntjac then you can see the pictures..... :rofl:

Nice afternoon so will be out somewhere looking for muntjac later on as we have lots of them. :tiphat:
 
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