No 'George Flloyd thread

[kes]

The world is apparently absorbed by this event.
No one should die like this, black, white, yellow, brown or any other shade of colour.
I am heartily sick of 'race' as an issue when the thing of importance is whether anyone is 'good or 'bad', well or mal-intentioned and 'racial stereotypes' are for the ignorant.
I am seriously off-put by any suggestion that race is an issue and those who use race to magnify or minimise an issue, whatever their colour may be.
I hope my attitude stems from a sense of innate fairness and that because 'do as you would be done by' mentions no colour it shouldnt be part of life or anyone's response.
Treating Race as mitigation/explanation/justification is wrong. Simply as an individual, I would expect to be treated fairly - always, by anyone.
Lawlessness is never justified. Neither is a lack of leadership.
Both sides have got this wrong but it is those who do and have done criminal things that should suffer, not everyone.

 

[John Gryphon]

The world is apparently absorbed by this event.

Not in my world.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Apparently the police officer responsible has a track history of bullying and overstepping the mark. Why he was still a police officer is a question that needs answers.

As to the worldwide outrage and rioting, it merely confirms my belief that there are far too many entitled cretins on the planet

I find people increasingly more disappointing, the older I get

 

[Stalker62]

The four officers are charged with criminal offences.
For me, it is now a matter for the Courts.

 

[CarlW]

Surely the media and the politicos get to give 'em a kicking first...?

 

[JMikeyH]

I'm not sympathetic towards the officers that commit these kinds of acts, I don't know if any of you watched the videos of Floyd's arrest before he was killed but it is shocking. One thing to note which is different in America to over here is the readily available access to firearms and I think a lot of police over there feel like they have to use excessive force because they don't know what they're getting in to. A routine traffic stop can always be them putting their lives on the line. In all the videos I saw there was nothing Floyd was doing to justify having an officer kneeling on his neck with his face down in the ground and suffocating him doing so. I'm sure there are lots of police officers out in the states that are doing a fine job, know when to use force and when they aren't in danger, and a few police officers that struggle to make this switch or this distinction is all it takes. One thing that was a huge issue in the past was the protection of officers that unlawfully kill someone by their higher ups. At least this time the officers are charged, but only after half of Minneapolis is burned down

 

[Jagare]

There was a demo in Stockholm yesterday. Lots of people crowded into one of the cities squares hold placards with, I can,t breath. Strange thing to have on a placard in a place packed with people under a Covid 19 pandemic. I think it may come true for a few of them.

 

[dartmoordog]

Not in my world.

As appalling as this was, and those responsible should feel the full weight of justice, my world is not absorbed with it either.

 

[John Gryphon]

Starting this year with our bush fires that took up all the news reports
Then we had the emergence of Corona virus and that took over the news
Then we had this blokes death that has taken over the news
Whats next Kate M`s affair with a Cavalry Officer?
That will be good for 3 months...until the NEXT best thing happens...Don Trump caught ****ing a rubber chicken?

 

[Lateral]

The world is apparently absorbed by this event.
No one should die like this, black, white, yellow, brown or any other shade of colour.
I am heartily sick of 'race' as an issue when the thing of importance is whether anyone is 'good or 'bad', well or mal-intentioned and 'racial stereotypes' are for the ignorant.
I am seriously off-put by any suggestion that race is an issue and those who use race to magnify or minimise an issue, whatever their colour may be.
I hope my attitude stems from a sense of innate fairness and that because 'do as you would be done by' mentions no colour it shouldnt be part of life or anyone's response.
Treating Race as mitigation/explanation/justification is wrong. Simply as an individual, I would expect to be treated fairly - always, by anyone.
Lawlessness is never justified. Neither is a lack of leadership.
Both sides have got this wrong but it is those who do and have done criminal things that should suffer, not everyone.

I'm not certain if I'm misinterpreting your post.

Are you suggesting that racism had nothing to do with George Floyds death ?

Are you suggesting that if the victim of this type of death, is "bad", it's acceptable ?

Sadly, it appears that RACE has EVERYTHING to do with this death, and you appear to be discounting it ?

 

[bluesako]

im just not arsed about it , got better things to do bs

 

[User00035]

Who is George Floyd?

 

[baguio]

What I would say is beware of watching videos that my well have been edited to suit an agenda. Also, rumours that people MAY have a history of this or that are only rumours. I also worry that the charges have been increased since the mobs have hit the streets. Is this right?

 

[bluesako]

most of the rioters and looters, didnt even no the guys name, they just went out to rob trainers from footlocker, if it had been a white guy who had died, it wouldnt have mad e the back page bs.

 

[CarlW]

Why don't we go back to judging YouTubers on their backstops? That's much more fun.

The George Floyd matter is very sad indeed; however, it is sub judice. The more these officers are tried in the press and on public fora, the less likely they are to be tried properly in the courts.

Oh, and conversations about race never end well on this forum. We have 'form' for hating one another by the end of the discussion...

 

[Waz77]

I'm not certain if I'm misinterpreting your post.

Are you suggesting that racism had nothing to do with George Floyds death ?

Are you suggesting that if the victim of this type of death, is "bad", it's acceptable ?

Sadly, it appears that RACE has EVERYTHING to do with this death, and you appear to be discounting it ?

Are you suggesting if he wasn't black this wouldn't have happened? Maybe check out the Tony Timpa case. I don't think George Lloyd was arrested for being black, it was because he was under suspicion of breaking the law, he had meth and fentanyl in his system so may have been acting in an unpredictable way for all we know? His death was unjustified and those responsible should be held to account but was it a racially motivated killing or just a criminal who happened to be black? If he'd been white would it even have been mentioned, like the Tony Timpa case?

 

[User00025]

This incident is something that is America's problem, not ours. So why do we have a load of idiots gathering in large crowds without social distancing to protest over here?
Absolutely typical was the programme last night "Black lives matter, Rivers of blood 50 years on".
To me these things just wind every thinking person up, do no good and are blatantly racist.
People to me are just that, "People" and to be honest I don't like many of them. Once somebody born here puts Asian, Black or White before British when asked their race, or seem to talk a version of the English language I don't understand, then they are not part of our community. When they talk about the culture of their ancestors being more important along with this I'm afraid to me they are not part of my country or nationality anymore. Furthermore it bothers me not if the PC brigade on here or elsewhere object to my thoughts.

 

[JAYB]

Can we please just accept that this man died during what appears to be a serious use of excessive, and stupidly applied, force, and leave it at that and let the American justice system deal with it. The officer, since arrested, deserves any punishment meted out. However I do not understand how any jury is going to arrive at an unbiased decision when deciding upon the severity of which charge to convict on, or how a judge can assess the correct penalty given the publicity and civil unrest following the incident. I fail to see how a peaceful demonstration can turn into a riot and looting fest without the presence of certain factions and agitators orchestrating it. Just another example of todays sophisticated society at work. I am afraid that I lose interest in the rights or wrongs of any cause, no matter how just, the moment the protests descend into violence and public disorder. These so called defenders of justice and law and order seem to think it is OK for them to do whatever they want to make their point. These people I feel should be dealt with just as severely as the law permits for their crimes, of course they are of the opinion they have done nothing wrong. Naturally we are now witnessing the start of the stampede of "celebrities" keen to add their voice to the throng. Some cynical people would think it was some kind of self promotion, perish the thought!

The whole bloody world has gone mad.

John

 

[Lateral]

Are you suggesting if he wasn't black this wouldn't have happened? Maybe check out the Tony Timpa case. I don't think George Lloyd was arrested for being black, it was because he was under suspicion of breaking the law, he had meth and fentanyl in his system so may have been acting in an unpredictable way for all we know? His death was unjustified and those responsible should be held to account but was it a racially motivated killing or just a criminal who happened to be black? If he'd been white would it even have been mentioned, like the Tony Timpa case?

I think that he have been white, it would be far less likely, AND, if we are being told he had drugs in his system, this was discovered "after the incident" !

Why 9 minutes on his neck ? There were 4 officers, it would have been pretty straight forward for these trained officers to cuff him !

I find it astonishing, and sad, that some people appear to dismiss racism, like it doesn't exist ! This would suggest that people of colour, or ethnicity are always in the wrong, which to me, is a racist view !

 

[ChesterP]

This incident is something that is America's problem, not ours. So why do we have a load of idiots gathering in large crowds without social distancing to protest over here?
Absolutely typical was the programme last night "Black lives matter, Rivers of blood 50 years on".
To me these things just wind every thinking person up, do no good and are blatantly racist.
People to me are just that, "People" and to be honest I don't like many of them. Once somebody born here puts Asian, Black or White before British when asked their race, or seem to talk a version of the English language I don't understand, then they are not part of our community. When they talk about the culture of their ancestors being more important along with this I'm afraid to me they are not part of my country or nationality anymore. Furthermore it bothers me not if the PC brigade on here or elsewhere object to my thoughts.

Except that, sadly and most predictably, now it is. Yesterday there were hundreds, if not thousands of ANTIFA joining in with the groups "Black Lives Matter" shouting anti-police slogans, stirring up trouble (as anything connected with ANTIFA usually does) and backed by the likes of Labour and the SNP, who incredulously stood up in parliament saying that our government has "shuttered itself in the hope no-one would notice". What planet is Ian Blackford living on? Typical nonsense from the SNP leadership.

This was followed by Sir Keir Starmer's statement to Boris Johnson to " convey to US President Donald Trump the UK's "abhorrence about his response to the events" which should be treated with the utter derision it deserves. Way to go Keir...that'll win us friends and allies for the trade talks! NO, it is not for Boris to say any such thing. It would be far more understandable if he said that we "share the US president's total abhorrence at the rioting and disorder following these events" especially since immediate action was taken to arrest and try the officer(s) responsible for 3rd degree murder.
If the US system failed, it failed in allowing these men to become police officers, but again, that is NONE of our business.

It is not our problem and these left wing Marxists and thugs, and the BBC who have decided to politicise this as it is yet another way to attack government in their usual passive-aggressive way, should keep their nose out of another nation's business. It is NOT for our government to demand anything of President Trump over this, nor is the the duty of eh BBC to make it their campaign and stoke the hype deliberately, just as they did with BREXIT and the pandemic, in the process peddling lies, lies and damned lies.

I am sick and tired in this country, in every avenue where people gather, including forums, and especially by biased media reporting, to have the truth suppressed, to have reason disparaged and discarded like a filthy rag, so that the politically correct line can be followed. I won't do this any more. The truth is the truth and those with extreme political views can go jump in the nearest lake. They don't speak for me and don't speak for a majority of right thinking people. Trouble is, it is far too easy to get a platform these days to voice such unrest which shouldn't be news at all.