No 'George Flloyd thread

[DVS1]

Watching sky news this morning illustrated perfectly how media whips up a sensationalised headline to feed the fury...

'Unarmed black man killed by white police officer'

Now remove the 'colour' references and that's what the headline should be, doesn't matter colour, creed, religion a wrongful death is a wrongful death...and that incident has it in bucket loads!!!

 

[JMikeyH]

Watching sky news this morning illustrated perfectly how media whips up a sensationalised headline to feed the fury...

'Unarmed black man killed by white police officer'

Now remove the 'colour' references and that's what the headline should be, doesn't matter colour, creed, religion a wrongful death is a wrongful death...and that incident has it in bucket loads!!!

Disagree, there's a disproportionate amount of black people getting killed by white cops. This is what people are going nuts about, not because guy died to cop, but because black guy killed by white cop - again

 

[enfieldspares]

Whats next Kate M`s affair with a Cavalry Officer?

Really?

 

[mchughcb]

And there was a Somalian cop in the same district that shot an unarmed Australian woman in her pyjamas.

Anyway the main thing to understand that during a pandemic you can arrest old women for sitting on a park bench because they are flouting the law and could cause the death of somebody. Gathering in large groups to burn buildings, cars and loot them while simultaneously beating and shooting people well don't worry because the police will stand back and everybody will blame Donald Trump. Remember the 2nd amendment in America because with the Shiite hits the fan, you can only rely on yourself and your friends, and a week of rioting has proven this.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I'll just leave this here:

"Both sides ...."

K

 

[baguio]

Disagree, there's a disproportionate amount of black people getting killed by white cops.

That comment has no validity unless you have stats to back it up and that means % killed of those arrested. If the % is similar then it's not disproportionate if you know what I mean. Now you may be correct, I don't know. However, I don't buy hearsay statements without facts!

 

[JMikeyH]

That comment has no validity unless you have stats to back it up and that means % killed of those arrested. If the % is similar then it's not disproportionate if you know what I mean. Now you may be correct, I don't know. However, I don't buy hearsay statements without facts!

Seems fairly even from that chart, but then you realise that 20% of the population in Minneapolis is black, so 60% of the force is used on 20% of the population. If you want citations you'll have to go do your own research, not going to do it for you

 

[baguio]

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Seems fairly even from that chart, but then you realise that 20% of the population in Minneapolis is black, so 60% of the force is used on 20% of the population. If you want citations you'll have to go do your own research, not going to do it for you

Does that mean that a black person is far more likely to be committing crime than white people and therefore pose a much greater risk to the police than non black people? If that's the case then it's hardly surprising that they will be treated differently is it? Us country dwellers are just as guilty of that when we see people on our land that fit the profile of those likely to course our game and redistribute our quad bikes.
Stats have to be examined very carefully before anything concrete can be made of them.
First impressions aren't alway correct that's all.

 

[Apthorpe]

It's obvious to all that the USA has some very serious and deep-seated problems with race relations and the role of the state in those relations. There is no sense in thinking that this was an unfortunate event limited to possible criminal misbehaviour by a few police officers. Such events happen routinely and frequently without any justification of proportionality. Policing in America is doubtless much harder than the UK because of much higher levels of normalisation of violence in the community. However, there seems to be no political will on the part of either Democrats or Republicans, nor at a state or city level to row back from what you might call a palestinisation of the nation.


It's sad that those of a left-wing persuasion see the latest manifestation as a cue for a global outburst of brainless virtue signalling, rioting and mob-rule, as well as seeking to export the toxic racial discord from the USA to other countries. The scenes in London yesterday were a disgrace. In particular, it is outrageous, pernicious and deeply damaging that activists and celebrities were able to claim a similarity between the state of race relations in the USA and UK.
I frequently have little time for the police, but their restraint when faced with the level of thuggishness and lawlessness on display was admirable. That said, the other half of me would have been glad if social distancing rules had been enforced with a large cloud of tear gas.

 

[Scotty99]

Probably no Floyd thread because most people are more concerned with the 40,000 Covid deaths over here in the last three months.

Floyd's death is tragic, it was avoidable and yes it was racist.

 

[JMikeyH]

Does that mean that a black person is far more likely to be committing crime than white people and therefore pose a much greater risk to the police than non black people? If that's the case then it's hardly surprising that they will be treated differently is it? Us country dwellers are just as guilty of that when we see people on our land that fit the profile of those likely to course our game and redistribute our quad bikes.
Stats have to be examined very carefully before anything concrete can be made of them.
First impressions aren't alway correct that's all.

You're absolutely right to think like that. It's no secret that there is huge economic disparity between ethnicities in the US and the root of the problem is never gonna be as simple as"white cops hate black people". Like you say, stats have to be examined and not just how many black people are killed by police or have force used against them compared to other racial groups, but also involvement in crime, education levels, opportunities to rise above crime etc. It is a complex issue as Apthorpe says.

At least in this individual case, there's no excuse for the offending police officers

 

[baguio]

yes it was racist.

In your opinion! Certainly not proven and the law states innocent until proven guilty!

 

[JMikeyH]

Anyway what am I doing writing about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with me! This is a hunting forum, I'd love to see more of @johngryphon 's unlisted youtube videos

 

[Dickie]

Once again the world’s media are whipping things up, Covid has become boring to the population and the crap they the media have been continually repeating.

 

[JockStalk]

Appalling case, but an appalling case of media hype with it.
“racism pandemic” FFS?

 

[TomDeer]

This article gives some useful context and comment.

 

[kes]

I'm not certain if I'm misinterpreting your post.

Are you suggesting that racism had nothing to do with George Floyds death ?

Are you suggesting that if the victim of this type of death, is "bad", it's acceptable ?

Sadly, it appears that RACE has EVERYTHING to do with this death, and you appear to be discounting it ?

No, no and no, you clearly ARE misinterpreting my post.

 

[kes]

For those of you who prefer hunting stuff in 'off topic' - I apologise.
Plenty of hunting threads and links everywhere else which is why this is called 'off-topic'.
I thought this issue should be opened for opinions and if you don't like that say so, as I also dont like people who are disingenuous.

 

[ChesterP]

It's obvious to all that the USA has some very serious and deep-seated problems with race relations and the role of the state in those relations. There is no sense in thinking that this was an unfortunate event limited to possible criminal misbehaviour by a few police officers. Such events happen routinely and frequently without any justification of proportionality. Policing in America is doubtless much harder than the UK because of much higher levels of normalisation of violence in the community. However, there seems to be no political will on the part of either Democrats or Republicans, nor at a state or city level to row back from what you might call a palestinisation of the nation.


It's sad that those of a left-wing persuasion see the latest manifestation as a cue for a global outburst of brainless virtue signalling, rioting and mob-rule, as well as seeking to export the toxic racial discord from the USA to other countries. The scenes in London yesterday were a disgrace. In particular, it is outrageous, pernicious and deeply damaging that activists and celebrities were able to claim a similarity between the state of race relations in the USA and UK.
I frequently have little time for the police, but their restraint when faced with the level of thuggishness and lawlessness on display was admirable. That said, the other half of me would have been glad if social distancing rules had been enforced with a large cloud of tear gas.

Absolutely spot-on.

Those with eyes to see recognise what's going on here. There is the generalised racialisation of this event which may or may not warrant it, but in any event only serves to deepen the divide by the over-reaction to it, not to heal it. Double standards are blatantly on show. They are being supported in those double standards by our media at home who love for nothing more than to create the news in spite of what that might cost society. This has been going on for too long and personally, whatever I thought of free speech for the press, I think recent years have highlighted that their political bias and subversive agendas now deserve to have that freedom re-examined and to have a strict charter of press behaviour drawn up which mandates impartial reporting. It hasn't worked with the bbc though having said that....

There is a clear question here of a lack of ethical reporting when such incidents are not limited to one specific group but white people also suffer similar treatment as already highlighted. The USA has an acceptance within society due to it's society's violent history, that frames an expectation for such events to include and criminal behaviour, justified by any means and using one event to enact violent criminal revenge, such as unwarranted looting, shooting, arson, theft, violence and political virtue signalling.

This last point sickens me. We have enough to contend with presently here without mouthpiece celebrity's virtue signalling at violent rallies (as the London one predictably ended up being) and as said, the police reacted with almost questionable calm. I use the term advisedly because briefing would have included some degree of political awareness which would have altered the way this thing was policed. Personally, I think that such gatherings should be tolerated up to the point that groups such as Black lives Matter and ANTIFA cross that line and erupt with violence, looting and arson. Two things should then happen. 1) bring on the tear gas and riot police and arrest as many as can be identified as involved 2) ban all such rallies by outlawing gatherings of those organisations unless they formally sign up to a "no-violence" charter which if broken again results in the immediate suspension of any rights they have to gather in numbers greater than 10 people.

The media should also be warned for their part in politicising and blowing these events up beyond anything remotely reasonable, and for taking any political stance which only fuels the fires of radical and extremist organisations. As Althorpe states, this has been yet another cue for a global outburst of virtue signalling, mainly by the left wing elements, brainless celebrities and those intent on causing toxic discord. Such outbursts of criminal behaviour should be met with the full force of the law in order to keep the peace, and not appeased just as the climate activists and racial activist groups are so often appeased.

 

[paul o']

Move on chaps he was't a nice guy and he was a real bad guy thats a fact , The slob Cop That murdered him was a shat bag and has other case's of overcooking the pot and he will pay the price If there is Justice , Thats another fact .
There is't any reason why the rest of the world should be out killing and stealing from shop owners be they black pink or white ! its just an excuse to go out to a store and rob it and a lot of the store owners are black and have worked there whole life to build it ?.
There is no reason why any war Memorial in any place around the world should be defaced as all colours gave there lives ? .
Another Fact is this when Lee Rigby Was beheaded on camera Did the White and Black people of the UK and around the world go out on the streets and burn and steal ?? No did they F*ck .
Its a mind set that is pandemic in the world today that the crack heads and bad wagon jumpers feel they need to do at every chance they get ,
Colour has nothing to do with stealing others belongings thats just theft .
This chap also invaded homes at gun point after money and goods , and it is only one of things that he did along with many other wrong doings and arrested and done time for another Fact.
So FFS please dont paste him as an upstanding church going clean cut American Guy ! he was't thats another fact.
If you look at all the police officers that have been murdered in the UK was there ever once a riot ? No
If you look at all the kids Murdered by Child pests was there ever a riot .No