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foxhunter
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This country is very tolerant , we bend over backwards yet BLM still complain stating that it is painful to live in this country and it is terrifying , well I say don't live here then.
Hereford
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It’s nuanced - also best to avoid the disproportionate argument, especially considering some of this thread has discounted that.
What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children? – Full Fact
The information we have about the ethnicity of those involved in sexual grooming and sexual offences against children more widely is patchy and has a lot of problems.
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Lickashot
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I don't follow. You are saying fewer white men are arrested and more of them are killed by police - but then state that black men are twice as likely to be killed by police? I am genuinely confused. And is that here or in the US?
Scotty99
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Do really think that the outcome would have been the same if the perpetrator had been white, with 5 white police officers on the scene. I very much doubt it.
baguio
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Is that the best proof that you can come out with to back your claims?It’s nuanced - also best to avoid the disproportionate argument, especially considering some of this thread has discounted that.
What do we know about the ethnicity of people involved in sexual offences against children? – Full Fact
The information we have about the ethnicity of those involved in sexual grooming and sexual offences against children more widely is patchy and has a lot of problems.
" There isn’t much publicly available information on this. "
" The information we have about this is patchy and has a lot of problems. "
That's two statements that immediately stand out for me from the article you post! I think that I have read enough of that joke evidence. I'm out!
Roestalker39
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Look up tony timpa in 2016.........
Much is becoming clear. So your wife is presumably black or mixed race. You are therefore a paradigm of tolerance and racial egalitarianism and you are absolved of all suspicion in any racial debate and are qualified to judge (or prejudge) others of your own ethnicity who are not so situated.
The truth is, being non-racist means not "seeing" skin colour, or not registering it in your consciousness as anything other than one minor variant of human physicality, like red hair or blue eyes. You note it and move on. It is recorded on your eye but not your mental retina and has no effect on the way you interact with a person.
Identity politics doesn't encourage such neutrality, it does the opposite. It doesn't blur colours so much as draw lines that separate. It highlights minor physical difference, burdens them with political weight, blows them out of all proportion and then shoves them in your face and orders you to respond correctly, or else.
It's not surprising there are so many chips on so many shoulders. If you're white and you're constantly told you are either deliberately or casually racist because you happen to live a white life in a white family, you're likely to develop racial resentment: if you're accused of racism just for existing you might as well be a racist because you'll be damned anyway. And if you're black or have been allotted some other arbitrary shade on the human colour chart, and you're constantly told that you (not your forebears in history) are a victim due reparation and that white people are your persecutors then naturally your see racism where there isn't any.
Result instant and abiding racial tension, conflict and division and a whole ocean of false piety from those who run the show. Good job identity politics. Well done.
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Hereford
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I did say that it is nuanced; this is from CEOP and child protection course literature, which I attended:
The true number of offences remains doubtful, generally assumed to be larger, due to expected unreported cases of child abuse. Some 90% of the sexually abused children were abused by people who they knew, and about one out of every three abused children did not tell anyone else about it. The vast majority of child sex offenders in England and Wales are male, with men representing 98% of all defendants in 2015/16, and white, with whites representing 85% of convicted child sex offenders and 86% of the general population in 2011. Asians represent 8% of the general population of England and Wales as of 2011. A 2011 analysis by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command of 940 possible offenders reported for "street grooming and child sexual exploitation" found that 38% were white, 36% were Asian, while 32% were of an unknown ethnicity.
- England: In 2016–17 there were 43,522 recorded sexual offences against children under 16 years old, and a further 11,324 offences against young people aged over 16 and under 18. Police recorded 6,009 rapes of children aged under 13 years, and 6,299 rapes of children under 16 years.
- Wales: In 2016–17 there were 2,845 recorded sexual offences against children under 16 years old. Police recorded 446 rapes of children aged under 13 years, and 340 rapes of children under 16 years.
- Scotland: In 2016-17 there were 4,097 recorded sexual offences against children under 16 years old. Police recorded 196 rapes and attempted rapes of children aged 13–15 years, and 161 rapes and attempted rapes of children under 13 years.
- Northern Ireland: In 2016–17 there were 1,875 recorded sexual offences against children and young people under 18 years old. Police recorded 360 rapes and attempted rapes of children and young people aged under 18 years.
Scotty99
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Yes I'm sure this has happened to a number of white men but it's happening way to often too often to black men. It is disproportionate.
Roestalker39
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You said the outcome wouldn’t be the same ..... clearly it is
Hereford
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No - I am not qualified to judge on racial issues. No - I am not beyond reproach and am susceptible to prejudice, just as any culture or race is.
My wife is indeed black and my children are mixed race.
I will never fully understand what my extended black family, my wife and my children have already and are still to face by being black in Britain, however I think I have a little more insight and understanding and as such, some comments and views don’t sit well with my lived experience.
Freeforester
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I've heard of Pink, I think?
Scotty99
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And still disproportionate
Freeforester
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Someone has omitted the word 'lethal' from the above chart, if it indeed shows numbers of black people killed by white police, to me it does not appear to do so?
Some more research, below. Although I know the looters burned down a convenience store that a friend used to shop at in Minneapolis, personally I am with letting the courts decide, I'm not in favour of rioting, robbing and looting as 'reasonable behaviour' any time, irrespective of injustices. I wonder too, about the pregnant woman robbed at gunpoint by the deceased, and how her experience may influence her feelings about the affair.
Not my bunfight, not personally looking for further information on this matter either, I'd leave it for the courts, and suggest the protestors and looters do similar. Over & out.
norcan
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More whites are incarcerated and killed by the police in the US in total numbers. Because there are ALOT more of them,
African Americans account for only 13% of the population.. but are killed at a much higher numbers compared to their relative number.
"Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks."
"But whites make up 63 percent of the population, while blacks make up just 12 percent"
1 pr 100.000 Whites
1 pr 40.000 Blacks
AAs are more likely to be killed by police.. Even when they have a much smaller population compared to whites.
And they are jailed more then whites.
And they get longer sentences then whites.
Even when committing the same crimes!!
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Amazing stats for a place with a black chief of police.
Scotty99
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This
I have privilege as a white person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it:
I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery).
I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothamJean and #AtatianaJefferson).
I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#JonathanFerrell and #RenishaMcBride).
I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark).
I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards).
I can play loud music (#JordanDavis).
I can sell CD's (#AltonSterling).
I can sleep (#AiyanaJones)
I can walk from the corner store (#MikeBrown).
I can play cops and robbers (#TamirRice).
I can go to church (#Charleston9).
I can walk home with Skittles (#TrayvonMartin).
I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (#SeanBell).
I can party on New Years (#OscarGrant).
I can get a normal traffic ticket (#SandraBland).
I can lawfully carry a weapon (#PhilandoCastile).
I can break down on a public road with car problems (#CoreyJones).
I can shop at Walmart (#JohnCrawford) .
I can have a disabled vehicle (#TerrenceCrutcher).
I can read a book in my own car (#KeithScott).
I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (#CliffordGlover).
I can decorate for a party (#ClaudeReese).
I can ask a cop a question (#RandyEvans).
I can cash a check in peace (#YvonneSmallwood).
I can take out my wallet (#AmadouDiallo).
I can run (#WalterScott).
I can breathe (#EricGarner).
I can live (#FreddieGray).
I can ask someone to put a leash on their dog when it is required in the public park we are in (#ChristianCooper).
I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED. #GeorgeFloyd
White privilege is real. Take a minute to consider a Black person’s experience.
I have privilege as a white person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it:
I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery).
I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothamJean and #AtatianaJefferson).
I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#JonathanFerrell and #RenishaMcBride).
I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark).
I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards).
I can play loud music (#JordanDavis).
I can sell CD's (#AltonSterling).
I can sleep (#AiyanaJones)
I can walk from the corner store (#MikeBrown).
I can play cops and robbers (#TamirRice).
I can go to church (#Charleston9).
I can walk home with Skittles (#TrayvonMartin).
I can hold a hair brush while leaving my own bachelor party (#SeanBell).
I can party on New Years (#OscarGrant).
I can get a normal traffic ticket (#SandraBland).
I can lawfully carry a weapon (#PhilandoCastile).
I can break down on a public road with car problems (#CoreyJones).
I can shop at Walmart (#JohnCrawford) .
I can have a disabled vehicle (#TerrenceCrutcher).
I can read a book in my own car (#KeithScott).
I can be a 10yr old walking with our grandfather (#CliffordGlover).
I can decorate for a party (#ClaudeReese).
I can ask a cop a question (#RandyEvans).
I can cash a check in peace (#YvonneSmallwood).
I can take out my wallet (#AmadouDiallo).
I can run (#WalterScott).
I can breathe (#EricGarner).
I can live (#FreddieGray).
I can ask someone to put a leash on their dog when it is required in the public park we are in (#ChristianCooper).
I CAN BE ARRESTED WITHOUT THE FEAR OF BEING MURDERED. #GeorgeFloyd
White privilege is real. Take a minute to consider a Black person’s experience.
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