Fair comment, Deer seemed to have been prioritised, whereas Foxes is all I require it for. Yes, they nailed it with the Alpex. I am just keen on going the Nocpix route as that is my Thermal brand and I rate it. That said, if the Hik is better at 150 - 200m in darkness, I will probably buy a used unit as good value.I dont think any of them will be as good as the alpex 4k in darkness. The all seem to have been developed for more daytime use.

