Not legal to shoot deer without dsc 1 after April 2014 ?

[Tamus]

whats next FSC1 and 2?

Fox shootin' certificates 1 & 2 ?

or Ffffezant?

 

[widows son]

Just read on another forum that the bds said its highly likley with new legislation that you will not be able to shoot deer legally from april 2014 without dsc 1 .
Has any one else heard of this ?

Pure pish the BDS is not a government organisation scare mongering from them yet again must be down on cash from dsc courses

 

[Caberhill]

I think the mention of the detremental effect on the tourism and monies generated through stalking is maybe not considered by in the statement supposedly made by BDS. No goverment (I fecking hope) is going to risk introducing a manadorty training scheme that could protentialy weaken an already struggling industry within scotland. Especially not a Scottish goverment, compulsary DSC courses would fail to generate IMO as much income as well paying guests on estates throughout the country not to mention the associate trade they bring. The concept of compulsary training in the form of DSC 1 is fundementally flawed, a courses however in firearms safety would have more merit and that dirty topic doesn't even raise it's head!

 

[purdey24]

The DSC Level 1 is bound to be made compulsory eventually.It is too easy for the authorities to ignore.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

The DSC Level 1 is bound to be made compulsory eventually.It is too easy for the authorities to ignore.

It's likely that hunting rules here will continue to edge towards what is common in Europe, we will probably see the introduction of a mandatory qualification for people prior to the initial grant of a fac/sgc. It might not be dsc level one but it will close to it. Meat hygiene, firearms handling and all round safety are elements that need to be understood and practiced correctly without question. It's been on the cards for a while.

 

[caorach]

I've never seen any evidence that deer stalking in the UK, whether carried out by "qualified" or "unqualified" stalkers, presents any safety or welfare issue. I've also never seen any evidence that stalkers with DSC1 are any safer or better for deer welfare than those without. It would be necessary, in my view, to establish a need and to prove that the training fulfilled such a need before such training could be introduced.

On the other hand I've seen considerable evidence that halfwit do-gooders who imagine the countryside is some sort of Disney land type theme park run for their benefit almost without fail manage to mess things up in a big way. Why is it not necessary to do a course and get a certificate to be an interferring do-gooder? Why is it not necessary to have a licence for a push bike, sandals and a beard?

 

[sauer]

im not saying i agree...or disagree...but


its definately the way things are heading.....cant do nowt these days without a bit of paper...and that goes for all walks of life...

now its not happening in my area i believe but arent some police forces not issuing firearms to some 1st timers without them having this qualification? ive heard maybe its bovine poop, but thought id heard that on this forum that some forces trying to go that route

sauer /paul

 

[willie_gunn]

Why is it not necessary to have a licence for a push bike, sandals and a beard?

Never heard of the Cycling Proficiency Test, now known as Bikeability (http://www.dft.gov.uk/bikeability/)?

The desire of Governments, police forces et al to insist on a bit of paperwork is nothing to do with "evidence" or "proof" that having one makes you any better than someone without, it is to show that minimum standards have been met and ars*s duly covered.

It gives the politicians an answer to questions from the media, pressure groups and constituents such as "How can you allow people to go out into the countryside with high velocity rifles and no training?".

Why do you think we see "Fit and Competent" registers showing up everywhere? Not just Deer-related but for everything, Public Health, Electrical work, building.....

willie_gunn

 

[bally]

It will be pushed through by health and safety legislation

Go into a lot if not all work environments now and you will be asked to fill in a permit to work.you will also be asked to supply a method statement this wasn't the case too long ago,
insurance will also start to question qualifications

so going into work place with a drill requires this type of paperwork why not when you arrive at a forest with a high powered rifle with expanding ammunition that is capable of
massive amount damage will be the cry
get ready for it lads

 

[Spiker]

I wondered how long it would take before it was released. Applicable to Scotland only at present but yes we have until early 2014 to provide the answers to Rosinna's brief to get our house in order before legislation is forced down our throats. Like it or not it is coming. Do not blame BASC, BDS SGO or NGO this is from the SE.

No decisions have been made on what is "competent". Various committees have been at work for around two years thrashing this about. The current thinking is Level 1 + one ICR but that isn't cast in tablets of stone. Is it a bad thing to be considered competent at what you do? Yes there will be a cost but you should see how much diesel I put in my tank yesterday. It is relative to what we choose to do.

 

[Moray Outfitting]

Not sure if missed something in one of the posts - apologies if so and I'm braced for the deluge of ' shudda gon to Specsavers ' etc, but cant find any direct release from the BDS.

They have said some quite daft things in the past ( not picking on them - we all drop a gaff now and then ), so alleged comment certainly struck a chord.

In Scotland recent bills have looked at question of competence and testing - and have thus far resulted in no action beyond keeping things under review. The huge voluntary take up of DSC1 has been a major element in that. I dont know what further evidence Ministers up here have accessed, but I have had two politicians state that they particulary noted comments in written responses that 'our' - ie DSC1 - scheme was at least equal to and in many respects surpassed the actual delivery of 'intended purpose' ( I know - but this is how they talk ) than various European schemes. The bits that particularly caught their eye were 1. at minimal state cost, 2. Widely Inclusive and 3. Verified within national learning criteria and measurably effective.

Now I get major Narclepsy as soon as any discussion gets political or spin/ consultant speak starts, but anecdoal views aside, DSC1 has been accepted ON THE CURRENT BASIS twice now as the Scottish Parliament has considered compulsory testing within various aspects of Bills.

I completely agree with the perception that DSC1 etc carries the risk of becoming a stick rather than a carrot and mindlessly applied. I am against that happening because it goes against personal outlook, intention of the scheme and ( I believe ) risks damaging the large number of good elements to what we now have within the scheme.

Obviously - we ( sorry for poor grammar - please interchange we and I to make sense in all above) do DSC1 courses etc and must declare vested interest. But most of the individuals I have met within the DSC delivery business are equally opposed to compulsary testing.

 

[Caberhill]

Yes there will be a cost but you should see how much diesel I put in my tank yesterday. It is relative to what we choose to do.

But it is an additional cost and an additional cost that is not exactly substantual evidence of safety, it's not relative. I'd go so far in saying that DSC 1 will have increased the potential of unexperianced shot's to head out on their own without the supevision that some of us had when we picked up the sport under the wing of father or friend. Some of us picked up shooting under guidence and where taught the ropes through the guidence of the forerunning generation. Some new people have got a licence, obtained DSC 1, aquired somewhere to shoot and just got out and done it. I know who I'd beleive is the more competent of the two in most cases. But certainly the majority I meet on my course last year where experianced stalkers keen to learn more about deer and better themselves.

If the course was a quick one day event that covered safety, ethics and the law then maybe I could accept that as being relative. But the DSC 1 I did was an informative course that qualified us with the 'trained hunter status' which permits us to enter venison into the commercial food chain. Why should a occasional recreational stalker who shoots one for himself once in a blue moon have to comply with these meat hygine rules? Will an agnler have to pass a meat hygine course to catch a fish? Chainsaws require tickets for their use if your in that line of buisness but not for home use, why should rifles be any different?

 

[Caberhill]

Not sure if missed something in one of the posts - apologies if so and I'm braced for the deluge of ' shudda gon to Specsavers ' etc, but cant find any direct release from the BDS.

There is no direct release it is chinese whispers grown from what the initial posters friend heard during his DSC 1 course with the BDS, it is probably just that particular instructers opinion.

 

[scrumbag]

the police if not already on this bandwaggon, certainly will be very soon.

I was talking to my FEO not long ago and got told he'd want to see I had it before applying for my FAC...

 

[paul k]

Re overseas clients complying to UK DSC1
They nearly all have a qualification as I am aware of the Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria rules so it just needs to be recognised by the UK authorities.
Regards
Martin

There's already a requirement in some areas of European law to give recognition and equal status to equivalent certification in other areas issued in other countries. I can see that there might be a case for new stalkers but there is no relevance at all for experienced stalkers, the fact that other countries do it is no good reason for us to follow, other countries have the Euro and what good news that has been, Germany does not allow catch and release fishing which flies in the face of international good practice.

Don't worry about this until the Government say that it might happen and just hope that it is not included in devolved powers for the national parliaments or assemblies.

 

[Moray Outfitting]

AliS - many thanks for confirming ( sans Specsaver jokes ).

 

[weeman]

If i have misread this im sorry, what about the folk who go stalking with people because they dont have there own permission does this apply to them if they don't have there DSC level 1.

Just read on another forum that the bds said its highly likley with new legislation that you will not be able to shoot deer legally from april 2014 without dsc 1 .
Has any one else heard of this ?

 

[Chris Rob]

I've never seen any evidence that deer stalking in the UK, whether carried out by "qualified" or "unqualified" stalkers, presents any safety or welfare issue. I've also never seen any evidence that stalkers with DSC1 are any safer or better for deer welfare than those without. It would be necessary, in my view, to establish a need and to prove that the training fulfilled such a need before such training could be introduced.

On the other hand I've seen considerable evidence that halfwit do-gooders who imagine the countryside is some sort of Disney land type theme park run for their benefit almost without fail manage to mess things up in a big way. Why is it not necessary to do a course and get a certificate to be an interferring do-gooder? Why is it not necessary to have a licence for a push bike, sandals and a beard?

Here here!

Well said Philip

Chris

 

[JabaliHunter]

Apparently the Scottish Executive have so much money that they don't need to worry about excessive red tape...

 

[Brithunter]

Let's face it they have been trying to nudge towards this for years even though in reality a bit of paper does not improve safety. Compare the accident stats for those countries with compulsory training with the UK. Our figures are way lower so just how good is the training? One must ask..

It's more to do with revenue than anything else and their need for control in all matters. it will not ne that long before one needs training and a certificate to use the toilet .

Edit:-

Why is it not necessary to have a licence for a push bike, sandals and a beard?

You forgot the glasses .............................................. and I have the full set which reminds me I need some new sandals as mine broke after a few years use, also have two push bikes and a full beard. Now if the wind would moderate I might be able to use one of the push bikes . Right now one would most likely end up ina dyke with the wind blowing like it is .