Out of Season Red Stag- Scotland

[centralbeltstalker]

Originally Posted by Sam
I too would like to see the damage to your trees, but Im of the opinion that it was a venison getting exercise A great assumption I know. Why take pictures? That strikes me as rather odd, to me a picture is a "trophy" a record of a good stalk, or a sceintific recording. Yours look more like trophy pictures to me, but its hardly stalking is it?

Could you not sacrifice some of you trees for the deer? Surely if you are a stalker you would want to build up a resident populas? I know I would.


Seems like an excuse to kill some deer, and have something to boast about.


Sam.

I know Im judging your actions without seeing the damage they caused. But it seems to me like your first responce to this "damage" was to shoot on site.



The man has a right to say what he thinks or is this not a forum for discussion..
if the damage was bad why wait a whole week to go back.
why not attempt to stop the deer from gaining access by other means earlier.
why post a trophy style picture of the animals as they are...
all valid points really
Remember it was i that initially asked for the picture because when i first read the tread it was hinds and a stag. not a herd of stag. going by the heads it was a hard tell,
i was interested to see this lone stag on unfamiliar ground which was causing damage.
no shame in posting the picture of a deer, which, has met the criteria as a destructive animal and was successfully culled. Does this, i dont know.

shame this tread is on the legal treads. if it was more main steam i wonder would sams comments be so outlandish.. oh and mine of course sorry sam... and hms and mons etc etc etc....

ps i too am having a bad day..

 

[centralbeltstalker]

nice pictures of that damage eh....

 

[Sam]

I really would like to see some pictures of the damage done. Not from an arguementative point of view, though I will voice my opinions, but form a scientific angle. After all the more images we see of damage done the more informed we are, the less likely to blame the worng animal.


Sam

 

[DL]

Ballibeg, I just want to break the trend here, and say 'good job, well done', The good thing about section 26 is that stalkers give a bit of thought before they shoot out of season. Who knows what 2014 will bring, but we will probably be shooting male deer all year round. I know it's a nice feeling when you have filled the freezer, so dont let the comments of some on this thread detract from that.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Ballibeg, I just want to break the trend here, and say 'good job, well done', The good thing about section 26 is that stalkers give a bit of thought before they shoot out of season. Who knows what 2014 will bring, but we will probably be shooting male deer all year round. I know it's a nice feeling when you have filled the freezer, so dont let the comments of some on this thread detract from that.

I am beginning to think the only thought that was given before this was, i will ask if i can and if someone says i can, then i will obliterate the herd.
I apologise profusely if there's evidence to contradict.
i just haven't seen it

f.

 

[scotspine]

Ballibeg has acted within the law to protect a crop on enclosed land. Others may have left them to be shot at a later date as a trophy or to build up a herd. Some may have erected a deer fence or accepted the damage for a period until the beast moved off....you get the picture; each to their own I reckon.

regards

 

[DL]

Well said Scotspine. Ballibeg has been out there and done the job, something a lot of people spend much more time talking about than doing! Checking the legality was sensible.

Remember this is a web forum, and he doesn't have to justify his actions to people on here, photographic evidence? When were the deer police appointed?

I know I would be chuffed to shoot some deer in my pyjamas, it would save a lot of cutting about at 03.00, perhaps there's just a wee touch of jealousy kicking in here?

 

[finnbear270]

As to cutting about in PJ's , & also in an attempt to lighten the mood, I was in a chaps garden, as a bystander, while the gralloch was taking place on a Roe that had been taking liberties with a vegetable & mixed flower crop.......... the chap that shot it was in bed at the time of shooting, ( .243 Win), a fairly regular event, must have a blast sheet on the bedcovers & a shockproof teasmade!............... as made clear elsewhere, the law provides for the contents of the original post to take place, he also came in here to check the legal situation with us lot, from my reading of this the deer were at first mixed sex, on the day of execution they were all males.

 

[widows son]

Well done that man acted well within the Law there is no requirement for a fence like some seen to think the crop does not need to be damaged he has remove the problem before it became a problem as he is entitled to do check the law and all its definitions first the right choice was made .

I shoot Stag all year round to curtail any damage as per the law in Scotland allows .

 

[Sam]

So you are saying that in every location you shoot (it must be a few to support that many damaging stags) you have so much damage that you have to shoot them all year round

Or is it because you want to?

I have a lease that is purely managment, but we dont break the seasons - because we dont have to.

Sam.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

males out of season is fine if crop damage is an issue. I can't say we all agree on this but if you kill something it's dead whenever you shoot it. Shooting females out of season is a different story for obvious reasons.

 

[widows son]

Sam get with the program.

I shoot Stags all year round to protect crops , because the law of the land allows the shooting of that species ,the crops are growing thick and fast during the close season for Red Stags . So Sam do we just let the Stags eat the crops because there out of season and say to the the owner tuff mate there not in season, it wouldn't take long before I got my marching orders.

Management plan if it brown it down.

So Sam your the one with all the answers you tell me. Because i don't know.

 

[Sam]

I can see your conundrum WS. I dont know what I would do In that situation. I am very fortunate to have landowners who respet the deer enough to leave them in their closed season. I work in agriculture and understand the effect that crop damage can have on producers. But I think that if you can find a way past it you should - I appreciete that this isnt always possible, and without knowing your situation I should not comment.

I should not come on here while being angry at the RPA


Apologies if I came across a bit "aggresively"

Sam

 

[centralbeltstalker]

widows son,

what extent of damage do the red do mate on your ground, also what kind of numbers are you seeing.

f.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Just reading up on this for DSC course next week so here is what the the good book says, On enclosed land the occupier may authorise out of season shooting of dear if causing serious damage to crops or timber. Shooting may only be done by occupier/his familly in daylight. If shooting is to be done by any other person they must be authorised by DCS.

therefore on my 1000 acre syndicate site which has a standard stock fence all the way round has some red stags on, they do scrape trees and eats trees all year round.
i must be then legally allowed to shoot them all year round as the occupying agent ????

 

[simon t]

Just reading up on this for DSC course next week so here is what the the good book says, On enclosed land the occupier may authorise out of season shooting of dear if causing serious damage to crops or timber. Shooting may only be done by occupier/his familly in daylight. If shooting is to be done by any other person they must be authorised by DCS.

therefore on my 1000 acre syndicate site which has a standard stock fence all the way round has some red stags on, they do scrape trees and eats trees all year round.
i must be then legally allowed to shoot them all year round as the occupying agent ????

I was led to believe that enclosed land would have to have to be a minimum fence hieght. So if this is reds it would be 2m.

 

[Stringer]

Ballibeg has acted within the law to protect a crop on enclosed land. Others may have left them to be shot at a later date as a trophy or to build up a herd. Some may have erected a deer fence or accepted the damage for a period until the beast moved off....you get the picture; each to their own I reckon.

regards

Well done that man acted well within the Law there is no requirement for a fence like some seen to think the crop does not need to be damaged he has remove the problem before it became a problem as he is entitled to do check the law and all its definitions first the right choice was made .

I shoot Stag all year round to curtail any damage as per the law in Scotland allows .

Ballibeg, I just want to break the trend here, and say 'good job, well done', The good thing about section 26 is that stalkers give a bit of thought before they shoot out of season. Who knows what 2014 will bring, but we will probably be shooting male deer all year round. I know it's a nice feeling when you have filled the freezer, so dont let the comments of some on this thread detract from that.

I'm with you guys, cant see the problem.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

acted within the law




the only one not defending himself is the one who started the tread.
sorry guys but seems like this so called cull is laughable.
as stated i will make my apologies on proof of damage and prevention....
three nices stags jumped my fence ate the cud and then i shot them as they ate on my trees...


Remember the boy that cried wolf

 

[scotspine]

Well centralbeltstalker you have got yourself in a right lather over this topic.Ballibeg has done nowt wrong and asking him for proof of damage is downright rude...you'll not be getting any apples from the orchard! I look after a forestry plantation out west and over two thirds of the stags are shot out of season as and when they move into the area. If I waited for them to come into season there would be an unacceptable amount of damage. Deer fencing at the time of planting was not allowed (not my decision) so year round shooting inevitable; in fact it is good practice where valuable crops are concerned.
regards

 

[Dan Gliballs]

Il throw in my tuppence for what its worth.

I understand deer are shot out of season for the reason of crop protection, I do it for a living, what I dont like is that many people resort to shooting first before going to reasonable lengths to stop the marauding deer from entering crops or using detterent techniques, we all know deer wont stay where they dont get peace.

All situations ARE different but maybe we should try before letting fly.