Oxfords, NOT Brogues.

[spannulman]

That Kingsman film has a lot to answer for. “Oxfords not brogues” pains me every time I hear it.

Sounding pedantic will be unavoidable here but brogue just refers to the decorative pattern. Oxfords are closed fronted shoe styles and open fronted are derby ( or blucher). A gentleman might wear Oxford brogues or derby brogues, I have both. Oxfords not brogues makes no sense.

No, I don’t get out much and I am probably not a hoot at parties

 

[JeffreyL]

Well as someone who is 80% wellies and 20% slippers you certainly got my attention!!

 

[Foxkiller22250]

Unicorns

 

[The Singing Stalker]

Oh dear gawd, you lot are a fxxxing pain in the axxx. I am now looking at pictures of oxfords and derbys and cant tell the difference.
I need to get my life back. And possibly go shooting.

 

[Pedro]

Like it or not, language changes. What was once right is now wrong and, more often, what was wrong is now right.

Take, for example the phrase "going to the toilet". Doing one's toilet used to mean having a wash and brush up. Or powdering one's nose. Or, for the more earthy, going to the bog (or insert your own name for it).

It's the same with many phrases. And spelling changes too. "Telephone" has practically disappeared. Initially you would write 'phone, the apostrophe showing that letters had been omitted. But merely phone is the norm now. But maybe it's not good to start discussing apostrophes.

 

[Hunter300]

@Tim.243 It got removed because someone complained that it was distracting from their request for Bullet Heads. and the Admin team agreed (I presume) because they don't see anything wrong with calling bullets 'bullet heads' ?
<Here it is>

//start//
Really, they are Bullets not Bullet heads.
Reloading is a complex and technical thing.

Retailers sell stuff to people, the more people they take money off the better.
Often (not always) they (RFD's) are clueless about what they are selling and tend to 'dumb down' to meet their market and to take money from the uneducated and clueless.
A wider audience ....

They avoid conversations like ...
Customer : "Got any 223 bullets ?"
Retailer : "Hunting or Target, ? Box of 100 ?"
Customer ; "No mate I want bullets not heads"

It's easier for the retailer to just agree and take the money, educating his customers isn't a thing he wants (or has time) to do.

No manufacturer calls bullets 'heads'... not one.
No RFD worth his salt calls bullets 'heads'.
Do you make head-holes in things when you shoot them ?

I included my normal diagram of a round of ammunition.
//end//

BTW, I don't think it's 'drivel' to try and call things by their right names, it does however become somewhat obtuse when after being informed that some folk can't get it right.
Some even do it deliberately, presumably because they think it's funny to misslead/missinform others.

Here's another example of why using the inncorrect term is wrong - For Sale: - 243 mixed boxes of bullets some spent and other not. [ FAC / collected Lancashire]
A load "is an unspent bullet" ... surely he didn't mean that ? who would tell him that was correct ?

Do you think thats right @Tim.243 ?

I think we should blame the Yanks and their films for this…..
“How are we doing?”
Then my mind tends to think they are definitely nit doing well as they miss everything they shoot at and then the next cut shouts
I’m out of BULLETS you?
My mind then again; why are they talking about reloading whilst under attack…..

I do agree with you though. Most people dumb things down and some already dumb pics up NONSENSE jargen fir facts….

 

[User00036]

There are Brogues, & then there are Trickers!!!!

 

[finnbear270]

Thank you everyone for your replies, I think I just reversed the healing on a rib I cracked six weeks ago.
& Yes, I reckon the choice of title for the "Discussion" was well made.

 

[webley701]

You are aware that Oxfords and Brogues are two different shoes styles ?

Strictly speaking ‘Oxford’ is a style but ‘brogue’ is only a type of decoration. It’s possible to have a ‘brogued’ Oxford or Derby or boot or whatever.

Of course the identity of the decoration has become so strong that it’s often incorrectly used (even by some of the ready to wear trade) to describe the whole shoe.

 

[finnbear270]

Must remember to write to SAKKO about their Gamehead offerings.

 

[Ade8mm]

Head;

Bullet;

 

[Dave31]

I think we should blame the Yanks and their films for this…..
“How are we doing?”
Then my mind tends to think they are definitely nit doing well as they miss everything they shoot at and then the next cut shouts
I’m out of BULLETS you?
My mind then again; why are they talking about reloading whilst under attack…..

I do agree with you though. Most people dumb things down and some already dumb pics up NONSENSE jargen fir facts….

It's not just the words. The youth of today have so much Americanised media thrown at them that their accents are being influenced.

 

[finnbear270]

My misspent youth bike

 

[MAH]

I am now looking at pictures of oxfords and derbys

Me too.


Every day is a school day, thank you for sharing @spannulman.

 

[Taff]

Oh dear gawd, you lot are a fxxxing pain in the axxx. I am now looking at pictures of oxfords and derbys

Ones in the south the other the midlands
And it’s not heads or bullets but projectiles

 

[Dalua]

You are aware that Oxfords and Brogues are two different shoes styles ?

Are they? Oxford is certainly a shoe-style, but I think broguing is a type of decoration which can be applied to various styles of shoe, including Veldtshoen (which I've only ever seen as Derbys).

Edit: I'm going to leave this here, just to remind me to read the whole thread before posting in future.

 

[finnbear270]

Christoph, I wish we had an Emoji thing for tongue in cheek.

 

[norcan]

Are they? Oxford is certainly a shoe-style, but I think broguing is a type of decoration which can be applied to various styles of shoe, including Veldtshoen (which I've only ever seen as Derbys).

Indeed, there is such a thing as a brogued Oxford.

 

[Heym SR20]

I understand that the Brogue is a Scottish style of shoe with holes in a pattern. The principle reason for the holes is a shoe that will the water out, so that when walking through wet ground (never rains in Scotland) you wouldn’t have shoes that were full of water all day.

This was of course in the days before rubber and goretex. Your feet are waterproof and shoes were principally for protection against sharp stones etc.

Warmth came from your clothing and also from just walking fast. People were much harder in those days, and didn’t know any difference.

 

[norcan]

Well, their feet were certainly wetter.