Paramo Velez smock
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caorach
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Paramo support the World Land Trust who have Chris Packham as a patron:
www.worldlandtrust.org
www.paramo-clothing.com
The World Land Trust use their cash to purchase areas of land that they, and Chris I presume, deem as ecologically important.
Nikwax/Paramo are also business "supporters" or the RSPB, or at least they were:
My suggestion is that you get yourself a mil surplus British Windproof Smock as they are perfect for most outdoor activities and are extremely flexible in use. If you want to send Packham your money then you can just post him a cheque.
Chris Packham
Chris Packham - charismatic television presenter, wildlife photographer, author and natural history expert - a patron of World Land Trust from 2013.
www.worldlandtrust.org
Páramo Clothing | Conservation
www.paramo-clothing.com
The World Land Trust use their cash to purchase areas of land that they, and Chris I presume, deem as ecologically important.
Nikwax/Paramo are also business "supporters" or the RSPB, or at least they were:
My suggestion is that you get yourself a mil surplus British Windproof Smock as they are perfect for most outdoor activities and are extremely flexible in use. If you want to send Packham your money then you can just post him a cheque.
@Klenchblaize has a Velez, I believe.
I’m also considering one, but I have one of their mountaineering jackets and I run quite warm in it - I’m worried I’d do the same in the Velez!
I’m also considering one, but I have one of their mountaineering jackets and I run quite warm in it - I’m worried I’d do the same in the Velez!
Yes, it’s clear Paramo aren’t comfortable with links to fieldsports/shooting but the irony for me is I first heard of this brand when stalking deer with a Forestry Commission Ranger on the West Coast of Scotland over 25-years ago!
Went into the nearest Town on my way home and purchased 2 green Mountain Pull-Ons and they still look not a day older after xxx washes.
K
Went into the nearest Town on my way home and purchased 2 green Mountain Pull-Ons and they still look not a day older after xxx washes.
K
Malxwal
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Think they'd have to consider stopping making absolutely everything in green, and the impact that would have on their business.
What are the zips like at keeping water out? They don’t appear to have any shielding agains water.
To be fair I didn't know this. I genuinely dislike this man. This is unusual for me as I tend to make my mind up for myself on people no matter what their called or said by people.Paramo support the World Land Trust who have Chris Packham as a patron:
Chris Packham
Chris Packham - charismatic television presenter, wildlife photographer, author and natural history expert - a patron of World Land Trust from 2013.
Páramo Clothing | Conservation
The World Land Trust use their cash to purchase areas of land that they, and Chris I presume, deem as ecologically important.
Nikwax/Paramo are also business "supporters" or the RSPB, or at least they were:
My suggestion is that you get yourself a mil surplus British Windproof Smock as they are perfect for most outdoor activities and are extremely flexible in use. If you want to send Packham your money then you can just post him a cheque.
I would rather get wet with sweat or rain than give money to anything to do with packham.
I cancelled my woodland trust membership when this idiot was in the magazine. Also told them why.
Thank you for the heads up
deerstalker.308
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Whilst I like the principal of boycotting firms with such beliefs, I can’t help but enjoy the irony of knowing their garments get used for the very things they stand against……
I seem to remember someone else suggesting when Packham brought out a line of clothing with Cotswold outdoors the Internet should be flooded with images of people wearing them for shooting etc….
I seem to remember someone else suggesting when Packham brought out a line of clothing with Cotswold outdoors the Internet should be flooded with images of people wearing them for shooting etc….
caorach
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I didn't know either and have some Paramo shirts that I bought in the distant past and I do still wear them on the basis that I might as well get the wear out of them. I now avoid buying new Paramo/Nikwax products as you'd imagine. Canon (cameras and binos) also are very proud of their position that none of their glass will be used in riflescopes etc. and they also appear to have some sort of association with Chris Packham so that is worth keeping in mind when considering optics:
Chris Packham's Wildlife Photography - Canon UK
TV presenter Chris Packham brings his passion for wildlife and ecology to his eye-catching photography.
www.canon.co.uk
caorach
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That's only funny until they use the cash to put an end to your shooting/stalking.
I do like your line of thought. But Im not much of a model for any garment really
I don't put pics of any shooting I do on the net. So I wouldnt be much use for marketing.
I guess they make it green for the "birding/conservation" lot then.
omulally
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What do you want the garment to do - be waterproof with an acceptable level of breathability for strenuous activities (hiking about with a rifle and bag) or provide a tough outer layer for pushing through vegetation?
Paramo is good. For some people. For some of the above.
I used it for years working as a mountain leader and in mountain rescue, and I still use their system for some of my work in the outdoors. I've never been 100% dry when wearing Paramo, but I have rarely been cold either.
It's not a traditional waterproof layer - it's more like a helpful sponge that you wear. Rain and water drops should shed off if you keep it washed and reproofed with Nikwax/Grangers, and sweat vapour will easily pass up through the fabric layers to the outside. The problems come when you have constant pressure on the outer layer - like rucksack straps or a sling - or when you get lazy and the reproofing agent wears off (can happen after 2-3 trips). Then the rain gets in and the sweat vapour can't escape up through the saturated outer layer.
I always highlight this when Paramo comes up - people are often disappointed when they first use it in anger as they were expecting a GoreTex-like experience.
It's definitely more breathable than Fortis gear, but then a bin bag is more breathable than a Fortis jacket
If you're looking at a tough outer layer that isn't necessarily waterproof - try the Helikon Woodsman or Pilgrim. They're essentially copies of Fjallraven but without the pricetag. You can even wax them with the Fjallraven wax.
Paramo is good. For some people. For some of the above.
I used it for years working as a mountain leader and in mountain rescue, and I still use their system for some of my work in the outdoors. I've never been 100% dry when wearing Paramo, but I have rarely been cold either.
It's not a traditional waterproof layer - it's more like a helpful sponge that you wear. Rain and water drops should shed off if you keep it washed and reproofed with Nikwax/Grangers, and sweat vapour will easily pass up through the fabric layers to the outside. The problems come when you have constant pressure on the outer layer - like rucksack straps or a sling - or when you get lazy and the reproofing agent wears off (can happen after 2-3 trips). Then the rain gets in and the sweat vapour can't escape up through the saturated outer layer.
I always highlight this when Paramo comes up - people are often disappointed when they first use it in anger as they were expecting a GoreTex-like experience.
It's definitely more breathable than Fortis gear, but then a bin bag is more breathable than a Fortis jacket
If you're looking at a tough outer layer that isn't necessarily waterproof - try the Helikon Woodsman or Pilgrim. They're essentially copies of Fjallraven but without the pricetag. You can even wax them with the Fjallraven wax.
I understand that it's not a waterproof layer. No waterproof layer can breath well.What do you want the garment to do - be waterproof with an acceptable level of breathability for strenuous activities (hiking about with a rifle and bag) or provide a tough outer layer for pushing through vegetation?
Paramo is good. For some people. For some of the above.
I used it for years working as a mountain leader and in mountain rescue, and I still use their system for some of my work in the outdoors. I've never been 100% dry when wearing Paramo, but I have rarely been cold either.
It's not a traditional waterproof layer - it's more like a helpful sponge that you wear. Rain and water drops should shed off if you keep it washed and reproofed with Nikwax/Grangers, and sweat vapour will easily pass up through the fabric layers to the outside. The problems come when you have constant pressure on the outer layer - like rucksack straps or a sling - or when you get lazy and the reproofing agent wears off (can happen after 2-3 trips). Then the rain gets in and the sweat vapour can't escape up through the saturated outer layer.
I always highlight this when Paramo comes up - people are often disappointed when they first use it in anger as they were expecting a GoreTex-like experience.
It's definitely more breathable than Fortis gear, but then a bin bag is more breathable than a Fortis jacket
If you're looking at a tough outer layer that isn't necessarily waterproof - try the Helikon Woodsman or Pilgrim. They're essentially copies of Fjallraven but without the pricetag. You can even wax them with the Fjallraven wax.
If its that wet my Fortis gear is great. But it's hot. Then you get as wet from sweat as the rain. They missed a trick by not putting Pit zips in etc. I spent a lot of time in lakes as a teenager when modern fabric was in walking attire but shooting wasn't. So I've always been layers and clothing that doesn't stay wet or cold, especially if you can get out the wind or wear a windproof layer over it.
My buffalo shirt is great. You get wet but not cold. So you don't feel wet. But they are warm for summer.
I don't mind sweating at all. It's carrying the water to deal with it that is the problem.
I want it for open Hill stalking. So only heather to worry about really.
I was going to get paramo fuera smock too for a light layer. A stalker I was with was wearing one the other week. Nice jacket for summer.
Paramo is a no go for me now the packham is in on it.
I will look into them recommendations. I've not heard of them before.
Thank you
omulally
Active Member
The most modern outdoor membranes are pretty good now - my current mountaineering shell layer keeps up well with my sweatiness, and I am the sweatiest git you'll ever meet
Indeed. The Fortis kit I own is absolutely bomber in terms of build quality, but their membrane layers are terrible for breathability.
I have two - the jacket and the smock. Both excellent options.
Whilst I haven't used it when stalking, I keep a Fuera smock in the side pocket of my camera bag, as not only is it light but it also folds down to a very compact size. I find it great as a windproof layer, but think of it as water-repellent rather than water-proof. I'd see it as probably more of a spring/autumn jacket, as the olive coloured fabric is pretty dark for summer.
Chris Packham laid into the RSPB and other conservation organisations for accepting sponsorship and advertising from hunting optic manufacturers such as Swarovski and Zeiss. This is the same Chris Packham who says we should be culling more deer to save nightingales
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I think you know what gear I am looking for. The it's not raining all day or it's a bit warm stuff. Or that hill is steep best get warm. It might rain it might not. Oh here comes the rain. But would look to get out of it. Tend to look out the driving rain when I'm on the hill. I don't like it, so I'm sure the deer don't either given a choice.
My go to gear for normal days out is mountain equipment. I've owned two water proof jacket. One I still wear. It's an old coat that's been used for climbing trees and everything on the ground. Still waterproof and is still a good coat. But it's dirty now. I bought in 1998. Then my Kongur MRT jacket. I don't think is as comfy as my old one. But it's a lighter jacket. Just need a bit more room around the chin. The old one has a pertex liner in it too. So is a lot heavier. But both well made. Various other clothes by them. All of which have been great. They stand by the gear too. Two claims on stitching and it was replaced on the first jacket and a pair of trousers.
I think you know what gear I am looking for. The it's not raining all day or it's a bit warm stuff. Or that hill is steep best get warm. It might rain it might not. Oh here comes the rain. But would look to get out of it. Tend to look out the driving rain when I'm on the hill. I don't like it, so I'm sure the deer don't either given a choice.
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