howa243
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Am not sure thats fair really.
http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php?15519-Are-we-hypocrites
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Am not sure thats fair really.
http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php?15519-Are-we-hypocrites
limulus
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So a sniper having a personal best tellytubby is ok but not a personal best deer or fox?
Couple of personal bests below:
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One at 40yds the other at 60yds. Oh, and they were both head shot.
Couple of personal bests below:
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One at 40yds the other at 60yds. Oh, and they were both head shot.
www.yorkshireroestalking.
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I missed that post.
Am not going to wade through it.
All my life I have been involved in game shoots ect.
killing foxes and now deer for nearly 25 years.
it is most humans nature to have personal bests.
Maybe we are wrong?.
But where you intend this post to go on a hunting forum is a little weired and I will not debate it on this thread.
The origional poster is very happy with his personal best and i am not going to hijack his thread.
So well done on the long fox, keep killing them and dont be put off by anyone who thinks its wrong.
You are doing a good job legally, be proud and kill the ginger *******s I say.
I respect your view howa but start another thread, I will not be playing with you on there as I have made my point here.
regards john, killer of many long and running foxes..................................AND PROUD.
Fully agree with everything John has said............You may also have mentioned though that you have a dog to track wounded game, as I do and am bringing on a second. This is not to allow me to take potshots but if something goes wrong he is there as my insurance policy. I have used him more on short range shots than on long range, before that point is reveered. I take alot of time in making sure all kit is as good reliable and accurate as possible to allow me to kill my quarry as humanely as possible, regadless of distance. It is these points that allow me to know I am doing the best job possible
stalkinginengland
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+1 there john
No keeper who has just picked up 300 dead pheasant poults killed by a fox ever gave a sh!t how far away the fox is as long as they get one into it and it dosent do the same thing the next night. I have shot more foxes running with a rifle than I ever will with a shot gun. The same guns who complain about low pheasants being shot will blow a woodcock to pieces in order to get a left and right. I find the ones who complain the most about ethics in shooting are the ones with least to loose.
Mark
howa243
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That is a great shot. I certainly could not have taken it.
Well the reason for coming on this site was to learn. So whats the longest shot for a fox so far. Maybe we ought to have a competition. My longest shot on the ten I shot during lambing was about 120.
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www.yorkshireroestalking.
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Howa, you first say its wrong IYO to have a personal best involving animals.
Then start (within another persons thread) a personal best competition.
I am a little lost with were this is going??
I respected (maybe not agreed) with your opinion but you have lost me now by having a complete turn around.
Any thread on here which leans toward long distance shooting quickly becomes "quogg-mired" and further to that peoples views on foxes and how they should be treated, blurr that even more.
So respectfully I will not publish my furthest shot only say its quite a distance and it was walking.
It was shot dead with a large calibre.(no prisioners)
I DO have double standards where foxes are concerned and have said that before (I hate the very ground they walk on).
If some one said to me on a pheasant drive those are the last two breeding foxes in Yorkshire I would go BANG BANG, then reload and shoot them both again for good measure.
What I will add though is I respect land owners wishes and if they tell me NO foxes, I bite my lip and leave them be.
Then start (within another persons thread) a personal best competition.
I am a little lost with were this is going??
I respected (maybe not agreed) with your opinion but you have lost me now by having a complete turn around.
Any thread on here which leans toward long distance shooting quickly becomes "quogg-mired" and further to that peoples views on foxes and how they should be treated, blurr that even more.
So respectfully I will not publish my furthest shot only say its quite a distance and it was walking.
It was shot dead with a large calibre.(no prisioners)
I DO have double standards where foxes are concerned and have said that before (I hate the very ground they walk on).
If some one said to me on a pheasant drive those are the last two breeding foxes in Yorkshire I would go BANG BANG, then reload and shoot them both again for good measure.
What I will add though is I respect land owners wishes and if they tell me NO foxes, I bite my lip and leave them be.
csl
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I'm not too comfortable with where this thread is going either. My personal opinion is that we, as shooters, owe it to do as good and as humane a job as possible regardless of species and that involves getting as sure a shot as possible, part of which must involve trying to get as close a shot as possible.
I don't want this thread to degenerate into another XXX yards is too much, perhaps XXX yards was the closest possible, I don't know.... but I'd hope that people don't read this thread and the next time they see a fox think "oh 500 yards to beat" because that's not what we are about, surely?
Watching thread closely....
Alex
I don't want this thread to degenerate into another XXX yards is too much, perhaps XXX yards was the closest possible, I don't know.... but I'd hope that people don't read this thread and the next time they see a fox think "oh 500 yards to beat" because that's not what we are about, surely?
Watching thread closely....
Alex
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www.yorkshireroestalking.
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I completely agree CSL.
But if been on stake out duty for 3 days(at your busiest time) and have him beat you and carry on his killing spree.
He appears on a far bank and will not respond to the call, and no way of gaining any ground on him, surely a well practiced marksman with the correct tackle(not stalking equipment, but an ambush rifle and big scope well rested). Can decide after lasering a fox, checking little or no wind should decide for himself that after may practice rounds can dial in said range and kill his problem fox.(and get back to his keepering job). Then I say in my book its ok.
Better then having a 50yrd shot with the shottie at a moving fox with BB's (which I also deem ok), but would rather given the 2 have the long range rifle scenario to garentee a quick death).
And back to my veiws on foxes (that is personal after having so many reared and wild birds killed by them in 25 years of keepering)
But if been on stake out duty for 3 days(at your busiest time) and have him beat you and carry on his killing spree.
He appears on a far bank and will not respond to the call, and no way of gaining any ground on him, surely a well practiced marksman with the correct tackle(not stalking equipment, but an ambush rifle and big scope well rested). Can decide after lasering a fox, checking little or no wind should decide for himself that after may practice rounds can dial in said range and kill his problem fox.(and get back to his keepering job). Then I say in my book its ok.
Better then having a 50yrd shot with the shottie at a moving fox with BB's (which I also deem ok), but would rather given the 2 have the long range rifle scenario to garentee a quick death).
And back to my veiws on foxes (that is personal after having so many reared and wild birds killed by them in 25 years of keepering)
csl
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John, I've no doubt at all you do your best to make sure the shots you take are humane even if that distance might be more than others of us would or could take. That's a decision for the shooter to make at the time, of course.
I just didn't want this thread to give out the wrong message and, God forbid, be responsible for people trying to take shots that they aren't 100% capable of carrying off. That goes for foxes, deer, rabbits or anything else as far as I'm concerned.
Alex
I just didn't want this thread to give out the wrong message and, God forbid, be responsible for people trying to take shots that they aren't 100% capable of carrying off. That goes for foxes, deer, rabbits or anything else as far as I'm concerned.
Alex
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bewsher500
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I blame Leica!
no-one was able to discuss this in anything other terms than a fisherman holding his arms out to say"this big" before we all went digital!!
never had a range finder, everything I ever shot was paced out if it was of any significance.
Never needed to shoot a deer over 100 yds.
once shot a rabbit with a .22 at 110yds. cracking shot though I say so myself.
Now I have hit a few VBulls at 500 and 600 yards at the range
Would I take a similarly long distance shot at a deer? probably not.
At a fox? every time.
no-one was able to discuss this in anything other terms than a fisherman holding his arms out to say"this big" before we all went digital!!
never had a range finder, everything I ever shot was paced out if it was of any significance.
Never needed to shoot a deer over 100 yds.
once shot a rabbit with a .22 at 110yds. cracking shot though I say so myself.
Now I have hit a few VBulls at 500 and 600 yards at the range
Would I take a similarly long distance shot at a deer? probably not.
At a fox? every time.
howa243
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It was sarcasm John (for which I appologise). I didnt respond to you directly as you had said that you didnt want to get involved and thats fine.
I have absolutley no problem with your views on foxes whatsoever and agree that they need controlling hard. However to be more specific and not to hide behind inferences, I think it totally wrong that on an open forum we measure our nobs over the killing of an animal. It is not a game, or a competition and if done at extreme range should be discussed with those who understand and appreciate it. I would suggest that (as has been done before) we have a section of the site which is not available for public consumption where such conversations and associated photos are published.
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CSL - Unfortunately I think people who would takke shots outside of their capabilities will do so whether they read this soite/thread or not.
A few years ago I knew a bloke who would just shoot at anything regardless of species or range...."under a shot not fired is a definate miss" The people who would think that xxx is too far may read this and try to aspire to these distances, by practice and experience. I shoot alot but am not going out to beat troubles 500yards. I have shot at 600yards at ranges and can do so well but I would not try this at live quarry as the kit i use is not approprate. A missed fox is much wiser. At the moment my confidence is down as I haven't been out much due to my leg break so I'm keepingmy shots to 150.
Those people wh just want to shoot the furthest the whole always will try and no amount of encouragement or discouragement will stop them.
A few years ago I knew a bloke who would just shoot at anything regardless of species or range...."under a shot not fired is a definate miss" The people who would think that xxx is too far may read this and try to aspire to these distances, by practice and experience. I shoot alot but am not going out to beat troubles 500yards. I have shot at 600yards at ranges and can do so well but I would not try this at live quarry as the kit i use is not approprate. A missed fox is much wiser. At the moment my confidence is down as I haven't been out much due to my leg break so I'm keepingmy shots to 150.
Those people wh just want to shoot the furthest the whole always will try and no amount of encouragement or discouragement will stop them.
varmint223
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Not taking sides but....
Just thought i would join this thread , i see all forms of shooting as a personal competition / game to out smart your quarry ie can i get the animal/bird in question , will i need to move closer or further away to get it and shooting is the same as every other sport ......people will always measure themselves whether it be on distance , quality of the shot , hold over/under etc and i would say that happens at all levels from airguns right up to the heavy weights........maybe i am wrong though ( it has been known)
Although I have to admire the honesty of John's replies.....wish more people were that honest about their shooting , John i get the feeling you would run around with a wooden club to get foxes if you didn't have a rifle....lol.......but i completly understand why.
Just thought i would join this thread , i see all forms of shooting as a personal competition / game to out smart your quarry ie can i get the animal/bird in question , will i need to move closer or further away to get it and shooting is the same as every other sport ......people will always measure themselves whether it be on distance , quality of the shot , hold over/under etc and i would say that happens at all levels from airguns right up to the heavy weights........maybe i am wrong though ( it has been known)
Although I have to admire the honesty of John's replies.....wish more people were that honest about their shooting , John i get the feeling you would run around with a wooden club to get foxes if you didn't have a rifle....lol.......but i completly understand why.
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www.yorkshireroestalking.
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I sometimes carry a net stake just in case i run out of bullets. lol
only joking its to big to go in my ammo pouch.
only joking its to big to go in my ammo pouch.
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soother223
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Well guys my mate & i went out with the shotties to nail a few crows.. I'd text him earlier in the wk & told him I'd posted my fox on here, he was pulling my leg all afternoon an advised me i should change my user name from soother to FIRESTARTER!
I get where you guys are coming from but I put my outfit together for varminting! but I don't take shots I'm not confident in hitting! so if i can manage to hit objects the size of a beer can way beyond this range a kill zone on a fox shouldn't trouble me!
This shot was paticulary satisfying for me as the farmer below had commented to me earier in the wk that his chickens were slowly vanishing & just 2 days prior to charlies demise he'd taken 6 in the space of an hour!
we're all going to miss cue at some point whether its a long shot or a close one & its our duty to follow up an dispatch it as quickly as possible! thats another reason i always take my lurcher with me.
but i know that had i'd not dealt with this fox he'd most certainly ended up in the farmers snare.. a far worse fate if you ask me!
sorry if i offended any of you this wasn't my intention.
stalkinginengland
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I remember the day before the countryside rally in hyde park ( the first one ) 95 I think picking up nearly 200 poults that had been killed by a fox. I am sorry but I find the fox a legitimate target at any range I feel confidant at.
I also know that I have heard guns complaining about the use of snares to control foxes. How do they think the game birds get there. I have ex army bibbys and sleeping bags and I will stake out a fox for days if I have to. They are an incredible animal but you have to take your chances with them and if that means 350 yards then so be it. By the way that is my record but I would prefer 50 yards.
Mark
I also know that I have heard guns complaining about the use of snares to control foxes. How do they think the game birds get there. I have ex army bibbys and sleeping bags and I will stake out a fox for days if I have to. They are an incredible animal but you have to take your chances with them and if that means 350 yards then so be it. By the way that is my record but I would prefer 50 yards.
Mark
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