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The pest control company may of been paid for X visits and supply of X boxes with all poison removed at end of contract.
Rodents cant become immune to poison, they are either born resistant or not.
Ive never needed single feed poison to solve an issue but some areas have high resistant to bromadiolone and difenacoum.
Droppings in loft could be sewers, damaged air brick, climbing plants, rain water down pipes, people leaving doors open.
I Wouldnt worry about house fires with modern wiring.
You saw one rat, may just have been passing through.
Too many variables to give a decent answer
 
shakey jake said:
The pest control company may of been paid for X visits and supply of X boxes with all poison removed at end of contract.
Rodents cant become immune to poison, they are either born resistant or not.
Ive never needed single feed poison to solve an issue but some areas have high resistant to bromadiolone and difenacoum.
Droppings in loft could be sewers, damaged air brick, climbing plants, rain water down pipes, people leaving doors open.
I Wouldnt worry about house fires with modern wiring.
You saw one rat, may just have been passing through.
Too many variables to give a decent answer
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I understand what you are saying Jake but the problem is that there has already been a few of the properties that have very recently (Within the last month) had "rat problems" where all of the loft insulation had to be stripped out as it was infested with rat droppings. On top of that several of the other (Elderly) neighbours as well as my wife have reported hearing occasional "scratching noises" coming from what sounds like inside the walls, which would suggest in the cavities.
One rat being seen in broad daylight is understandable (The one that I saw this morning was a very large buck rat) but under the circumstances coupled with recent reports from other "householders" (As well as my wife) in our housing complex (All of the properties adjoin each other so any rats in the lofts or wall cavities might well have a free run all the way through the properties) I suspect that the "problem" may well need addressing sooner rather than later!
I am currently waiting for the area manageress to get back to me to see what she says about the situation and what can be done before the damned things really start to breed and multiply and become a "health hazard"!
 
FrenchieBoy said:
I understand what you are saying Jake but the problem is that there has already been a few of the properties that have very recently (Within the last month) had "rat problems" where all of the loft insulation had to be stripped out as it was infested with rat droppings. On top of that several of the other (Elderly) neighbours as well as my wife have reported hearing occasional "scratching noises" coming from what sounds like inside the walls, which would suggest in the cavities.
One rat being seen in broad daylight is understandable (The one that I saw this morning was a very large buck rat) but under the circumstances coupled with recent reports from other "householders" (As well as my wife) in our housing complex (All of the properties adjoin each other so any rats in the lofts or wall cavities might well have a free run all the way through the properties) I suspect that the "problem" may well need addressing sooner rather than later!
I am currently waiting for the area manageress to get back to me to see what she says about the situation and what can be done before the damned things really start to breed and multiply and become a "health hazard"!
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If you see 1 rat, you got 20 more you dont see.
 
FrenchieBoy said:
Unfortunately I do believe that is true! Unfortunately some don't understand that!
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I dont think its true.
Your issue does sound like a drain issue. Rat detection are about the best camera survey company i have dealt with. Not sure where you are but he is based near manchester i think.
Get your association to call them direct, he is called davey brown
 
shakey jake said:
I dont think its true.
Your issue does sound like a drain issue. Rat detection are about the best camera survey company i have dealt with. Not sure where you are but he is based near manchester i think.
Get your association to call them direct, he is called davey brown
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If I see a rat in the farm yard, I get the bait hoppers out. Its surprising how they empty the hoppers when I thought it was just a solitary rat. I quickly learnt that rats are not a solitary animal. It is when they build up numbers that they become more embolden, if you see them in daytime, you got a problem.
 
If you have see. Them during the day then it is highly likely that there are more.

re the HA pest control, they may well have baited until that infestation appeared under control and then removed bait in line with good practice. Some HA’s will bait inside houses only - where there is likely a defect allowing ingress, but some will do inside or out.

The Prevention of Damage by Pests Act means that a notice to eradicate could be served on either owner or occupier depending on case specifics.

90% or more of domestic rat issues are caused by bird feeding, home composting or keeping of chicken.

The key here is to speak with as many neighbours as possible to ensure that all such food and obvious harbourage sources are removed.

You should also ensure your house/building is pest proof - looking for holes around pipes, doors etc. anything bigger than a 20p should be sealed and not with expanding foam! Old air bricks with the large holes can have the fine wire mesh covers installed over.

Baiting should be done by you and /or your HA until the bait is no longer being taken, and then removed.

If and only if the issue persists would I be looking at drains. If external you might fine burrows in the region of drains and sewers, but internally you won’t see ****. If internal issues persist then that’s when the drains should be CCTV surveyed for any faults.

I picked up a case of 7 terraced properties all having rats for 5ish years running between the cavities. A decent, and I mean decent, surgery picked up broken pipes, uncapped drains etc all underneath the homes. 5 of the 7 had to have works ranging from relining to digging up to replace connections.
 
shakey jake said:
I dont think its true.
Your issue does sound like a drain issue. Rat detection are about the best camera survey company i have dealt with. Not sure where you are but he is based near manchester i think.
Get your association to call them direct, he is called davey brown
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Davey has retired I believe.
I last used drain detectives who came recommended.
 
dunwater said:
Why not set some live traps?
You could then drown them in a bucket and deliver them to HA management.
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If I don't get a reasonable reply from the HA fairly soon that is something I might well do, and then offer to get on to Environmental Health about the situation.
I for one am not prepared to sit back and see the "problem" get out of control, it is us that have to live here with vermin running around and not the Housing Association's management team!
 
FrenchieBoy said:
If I don't get a reasonable reply from the HA fairly soon that is something I might well do, and then offer to get on to Environmental Health about the situation.
I for one am not prepared to sit back and see the "problem" get out of control, it is us that have to live here with vermin running around and not the Housing Association's management team!
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I have annual problems with rats during autumn/winter.
I use a combination of live traps and poison to deal with them and I’ll ask no mans permission or approval to do so.
I will not tolerate rats around the place.
I use live traps because the local birds are fiendishly clever at finding their way into Fenns and break backs. Chineses break backs are useless, they seem to be designed to hold a smaller animal, but they will definitely kill blackbirds or a robin, even set in a tunnel.
 
FrenchieBoy said:
If I don't get a reasonable reply from the HA fairly soon that is something I might well do, and then offer to get on to Environmental Health about the situation.
I for one am not prepared to sit back and see the "problem" get out of control, it is us that have to live here with vermin running around and not the Housing Association's management team!
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Hello, If you look on the Trap Man web site he sells Rat Traps, , I have used the Monarch and the Easy Set Rat Traps to great effect
 
dunwater said:
Why not set some live traps?
You could then drown them in a bucket and deliver them to HA management.
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You will then be dragged into court for deliberate animal cruelty! And I'm not joking, I've seen it all in my career, petrol, boiling water, drowning, I really don't see " just because it's a rat" that it should be treated any differently than a deer or anything else and humanely dispatched, air gun or Sharp blow to the skull. Then you can take it to HA, who incidentally as the landowner have the responsibility to deal with the issue. R
 
Ratcatcher said:
You will then be dragged into court for deliberate animal cruelty! And I'm not joking, I've seen it all in my career, petrol, boiling water, drowning, I really don't see " just because it's a rat" that it should be treated any differently than a deer or anything else and humanely dispatched, air gun or Sharp blow to the skull. Then you can take it to HA, who incidentally as the landowner have the responsibility to deal with the issue. R
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timbrayford said:
Drowning rats is illegal, RSPCA did a test case on it and won. If you prefer live trapping to poison just take your captives to the nearest animal rescue establishment and released them outside the perimeter
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That was meant to be humorous.
The trapped creatures should of course be transferred to the nearest wildlife rescue organisation, but only after you have had them health checked and any veterinary issues resolved at your own expense.
Here’s some non humorous advice, don’t ask, don’t get caught and never ever admit anything.
Some rules are too dumb to bother with.
 
Tf223 said:
Maybe I’m wrong. I can’t quite recall what I was told. Something to that effect, but again I can’t remember who told me it!
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He stopped traveling as far as you and me for domestic work a couple of years back because he had loads up north
 
shakey jake said:
He stopped traveling as far as you and me for domestic work a couple of years back because he had loads up north
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That makes sense - for someone to be recommended in Kent from Manchester for pest surveys is mental. Local to us Drain Detectives (Maidstone Branch) done what I needed and done the job well.
 
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