Franchi Matt
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I give thanks daily for the vast amount of water between us and them 
Pheasant shooting US style...!!
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That's true. Although you could argue that on those posh high bird shoots, the picking up teams are johnny-on-the-spot (or should be) and nothing is left wounded. In reality though, I'm not too sure where the sport is in what they are doing there. Is it actually possible that you need any real skill and is it possible for all those guns to miss any bird? They're not getting up any flying speed and they're pretty low. Wonder how often a dog gets the good news in it's rear.
As always, perhaps the middle ground is where lies righteousness.
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nun_hunter
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Calling it hunting is comical.
No different to the wealthy Yanks who come to Scotland to shoot a majestic "Wild Stag" that was picked up from a lowland deer farm a few weeks before and hand fed in a pen.
It seems such a waste considering the vast wilderness the USA has to offer. I'd rather shoot clays then just hike through the public lands without a gun than shoot tame and disoriented bird that were set down a few minutes before. Zero challenge and zero satisfaction.
No different to the wealthy Yanks who come to Scotland to shoot a majestic "Wild Stag" that was picked up from a lowland deer farm a few weeks before and hand fed in a pen.
It seems such a waste considering the vast wilderness the USA has to offer. I'd rather shoot clays then just hike through the public lands without a gun than shoot tame and disoriented bird that were set down a few minutes before. Zero challenge and zero satisfaction.
Commercial enterprise with paying guests, bit like some corporate days uk style, where guns needed nanny/ stuffer as guns had little if any experience so very average birds presented and good day and night had by guests.
Personal services, well done, suits you, tip and say goodbye
.have to say sometimes when decoying crows will leave 3/4 choke in for twenty yarders, busting makes me feel goodSimilar to the old pigeon shooting, we replaced them with clays but have still to develop any recepies to make them edible
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Heym SR20
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There are plenty of good ethical hunters in the US who would be equally critical of such behaviour. And I must admit not being very comfortable with the idea of large breeding farms producing lots of phaesants that are then put into the woods to be driven over the guns.
Yes they are supposed to be free ranging weeks if not months before the season, but there are plenty of places where they keep back a few thousand for later in the season.
I have been fortunate enough to be invited on a few big shoots with double gun type days, and the shooting was superb. But I have also had the misfortune of going some where it was just obscene. Most of the difference was the attitude of the hosts and the guns.
Equally appreciate that just purely relying on wild stock is also difficult.
Personally I really like walked up style of shooting over dogs, seeing them get onto a scent and then flushing a bird. A good days exercise with friends and a few birds for the pot.
Equally though I would rather see well run game shoots flourishing and being a valuable use of woodlands etc. than the alternative of yet more prairie type farming, or even worse becoming housing.
Yes they are supposed to be free ranging weeks if not months before the season, but there are plenty of places where they keep back a few thousand for later in the season.
I have been fortunate enough to be invited on a few big shoots with double gun type days, and the shooting was superb. But I have also had the misfortune of going some where it was just obscene. Most of the difference was the attitude of the hosts and the guns.
Equally appreciate that just purely relying on wild stock is also difficult.
Personally I really like walked up style of shooting over dogs, seeing them get onto a scent and then flushing a bird. A good days exercise with friends and a few birds for the pot.
Equally though I would rather see well run game shoots flourishing and being a valuable use of woodlands etc. than the alternative of yet more prairie type farming, or even worse becoming housing.
Jagare
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While it may not be to the taste of the UK or European hunter there are aspects of driven game shooting in the UK that don't bare close scrutiny. I've worked my spaniel on a few shoots here in Sweden that led to a few questions in my mind.
Get our own house in order before criticising others.
Get our own house in order before criticising others.
8x57
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Nobody can disagree with you there Jagare. However the video is still distasteful.
It's why if I am looking to buying a driven day I always decline of there is a duck drive. It may be some folks' "thing". It isn't mine.
Stalker62
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Both my wife and I stopped beating on a "posh" shoot, because of the duck drives.
Not sport - not for me.
The ethics of dizzying and placing birds is questionable but if you use the rationale of the prospect of some getting away rather than certain death of a chicken in a poultry unit, I would take those odds.
The amount of firepower per flush was imo, very questionable….
The amount of firepower per flush was imo, very questionable….
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