Plan B?

[big ears]

Not wrong at all, I've even provided actual numbers from the official website (as a line on a graph without them is pointless), you need to quit while your behind

Edit: your actual post includes a graph which points out that the testing is up 79,513 (1.2%) on the previous week but you've chosen to ignore it.

An increase of 1% is not statistically relevant but a rise of 17% is.
Comparing July with now is like comparing apples and pears.

The rise in testing (1.2%) is minimal yet the yield is 17%. Therefore more tests are positive (despite the Wolverhampton fiasco). The reason we are seeing more cases is not down to tests (as you are claiming) but actually down to the fact that there is more virus circulating out there and more people catching it.

If you don’t want to accept that fine but the facts show that the rise in cases is not due to increase testing.

 

[Rasputin]

I fear you might be right and there is a very dark cloud heading our way called privatisation of parts of the NHS.
It has always been in their agenda, now they have an excuse.

Good can it hurry up should have happened years ago. Total bag of spanner’s!!!

 

[Klenchblaize]

Just to lighten things up a little this is what I had to suck-up on the London Tube today!
If I wasn’t 64 I’d have given her a peice of my mind!

K

 

[Morkai]

Given her a piece of your mind over not breaking any laws or that she may have an exemption that you're not entitled to know about?

 

[Klenchblaize]

Given her a piece of your mind over not breaking any laws or that she may have an exemption that you're not entitled to know about?

I fear you’re not on my wavelength of humour but for what it’s worth I’d have been most happy to listen to her mitigation over a martini! Wind-shaken not stirred. Of course!

K

 

[Pine Marten]

Given her a piece of your mind over not breaking any laws or that she may have an exemption that you're not entitled to know about?

Yes but in my experience, currently about 70% of the London population appears to have an exemption.

 

[Jagare]

Good can it hurry up should have happened years ago. Total bag of spanner’s!!!

How can you possibly think that the well oiled machine that is the NHS could possibly be improved by involving the private sector? GP's only have to work 3 day weeks and now don't have to mix with ill people. video consultation has bought medicine into the modern world. Waiting lists so long that many will die before getting treatment. A cunning way to shorten the wait list. Win win if you ask me.

 

[Rasputin]

How can you possibly think that the well oiled machine that is the NHS could possibly be improved by involving the private sector? GP's only have to work 3 day weeks and now don't have to mix with ill people. video consultation has bought medicine into the modern world. Waiting lists so long that many will die before getting treatment. A cunning way to shorten the wait list. Win win if you ask me.

 

[Dalua]

How can you possibly think that the well oiled machine that is the NHS could possibly be improved by involving the private sector? GP's only have to work 3 day weeks and now don't have to mix with ill people.

I might have misunderstood, but isn't general practice in the UK already almost exclusively carried out by privately-run practices?

 

[Liveonce]

You ignore covid at your peril, yes life must go on but their is no need to take unnecessary risk, you are not just risking your own life. I say that as somebody with a son working on ambulances, experiencing first hand the impact of covid on individuals and their families, the impact on health care workers, they are people also.
Do you really want to be that next person in the ambulance?

 

[Shabz]

Having had covid at the start of January 2021, I can tell you it’s not like a flu at all. It’s a roulette wheel of misery. I have diabetes and it put me on my arse for four months.
During the actual infection, I didn’t eat for six days because I couldn’t get to the kitchen to make myself food. My (37 year old) healthy and with no pre existing conditions wife couldn’t make me any food because she was in a coma for three weeks with covid. I watched the doctor over FaceTime putting her to sleep in a tent inside a room in the hospital. He had a hazmat suit on and she looked terrified. He told me a couple of weeks later that she had exhausted all treatment options and she was basically either going to recover or die.
When she woke up, she had nerve damage in her left leg and now her foot doesn’t work at all. It took her six months to get strong enough to go back to work and she’s driving an auto and wearing a leg brace for the foreseeable future.

It’s definitely not the flu.

I had hoped though, that the vaccines might just make it like a flu, which seems to be the case. I could live with that. If everyone who is going to accept the vaccine has got it, then we should just go back to normal and get on with it. Anyone who has refused the vaccine can roll the dice like my wife and I did.

 

[BSAvale]

Not the NHS but the same point I think of whenever I read nonsense from people who have looked up things on the internet and think they know better than leading scientists who have dedicated their careers to a subject. Applies to this thread and pretty much any other Covid ones…

 

[gonzo]

From the R4 science program a few weeks ago....
A few hundred years ago, the common cold killed huge numbers. Now it's just an inconvenience, because of a degree of herd immunity.
But it took a century or so for that to happen naturally.

Even shortcutting this process with modern vaccines, can we really expect to bring this under control in a couple of years?
I'm just as tired of this as everyone else. But expecting it to drag on for a few more years yet.

 

[Apthorpe]

Vaccines are a way of minimising risk of serious illness from Covid. Experience from Israel, who started their vaccine program before us, shows there is a significant reduction in vaccine effectiveness after six months. They brought in a booster program with good uptake and managed to control disease better. They also brought in mask wearing, as have many other countries.
My feeling is we should all be wearing masks where we can, maintaining social distance if possible and take up the offer of vaccines as soon as possible.
This disease is with us to stay and we have to learn to live with it. We cannot expect to go back to how we behaved before Covid-19 for many years yet (if ever). It is the behaviour of the British public which has caused the recent rise in cases and the frustration in the Health ministers voice yesterday was testament to this.
Get your jab, wear a mask in public, wash your hands and if you do mix in crowds check lateral flows twice a week. If they are positive make sure your PCR test isn’t sent to Wolverhampton !

This is absolutely right. If the British public had the good sense not to have jobs, livelihoods, families or friends, then outbreaks like this would be much easier for the NHS to control. Ideally, if the British public didn't exist, then the NHS wouldn't be in it's usual alleged state of perpetual crisis.
If only the same "experts" cared about any other disease with the same fervour.

 

[Apthorpe]

Not the NHS but the same point I think of whenever I read nonsense from people who have looked up things on the internet and think they know better than leading scientists who have dedicated their careers to a subject. Applies to this thread and pretty much any other Covid ones…View attachment 226542

Well, we've just had a parliamentary committee report that took evidence from a range of experts and found the "experts" to have made a number of very serious errors, and everyone else to have been at fault for not questioning that evidence robustly. Your opinion works both ways.

 

[zambezi]

"experts" to have made a number of very serious errors, and everyone else to have been at fault for not questioning that evidence robustly.

Shoe shops used to X-ray feet during shoe-fittings with zero controls over radiation exposure.

We used to spray toddlers with DDT for head-lice.

Testing the science of the day is wisdom, not folly.

We should do it recursively and corporately.

Do not assume official competence.

 

[Apthorpe]

Testing the science of the day is wisdom, not folly.

We should do it recursively and corporately.

The problem in this case appears to have been less with the science than with the subset of scientists officialdom chose to consult. Plenty of eminent scientists had alternative views, although there was also a terrible glut of the mad, bad and thick.

Do not assume official competence.

I NEVER make that mistake.

 

[TomDeer]

If people did what was asked of them without question we would as a country be in a better place

Really?

 

[foxdropper]

Heil Big Ears ffs

 

[big ears]

Really?

When it comes to health issues which affect the whole population yes.