We saw 5 two days ago and today I saw three. He was the only safe shot today but let’s see what tomorrow brings.
Possible abcess muntjac front left shoulder
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The thing is Tim the chap has made his decision also not relying on it as income, also it is a thread about venison not cattle.
There are thousands of them (not in Wales) around so as an example I have only binned 2 poor muntjac in 11 years and only 1 out of the 80+ I have shot since January so I am in the "go shoot the next one camp"
That's fine Tim, go shoot the next one. It's your personal decision and I respect that.
But it's not correct to advise someone that a whole carcass needs to be binned as a result of a localised infection. You can bin it if you want to, but it's not necessarily required. Other checks on the carcass can be carried out to enable an informed decision to be made.
There are other people in this thread so I hope you have replied to them about this also?
There is only one decision and that has been made, that is by the OP and "his" decision which I respect with what he has come to is the "correct" for
himself.
Also you will find he will shoot the next one also do his checks and make his choice as he can.
TringSaint
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Totally agree.
A single old injury might see me bin a shoulder or a haunch but keep the rest. If it’s a newer injury and there is clearly an infection in or around the wound then I would probably ditch it on the basis of any nasties likely being elsewhere in the carcass.
I had a cwd once which had a gammy foot (cut on wire I think) and the pus was oozing out of that and all of the main internal nodes were enlarged so I left it for the badgers and foxes to munch on.
General meat hygiene rules - Multiple abscesses - condemnation. It doesn't say anything (that I can find on FSA) about how many abscesses this is, so a bit of applied knowledge is needed. Start with a set carcass then, if an abscess in the lower part of a leg and a swollen localised lymph node - sensible to remove the affected limb, as in this case. But if there are signs that other lymph nodes are involved, it's likely to be condemned
Sigh, here we go again, people with no knowledge advising what to do with - shock - a single abscess.
Industry standard procedure is:
Single abscess site, with no other lymph nodes affected or other ills - the carcass is fit. It’s a localised infection, else it would show up elsewhere.
It’s just an abscess guys, stop making a big deal of it. VSS is absolutely correct, he’s not being flippant.
We’ve all eaten meat from an animal that had an abscess somewhere on it, believe me. It’s just been removed and stamped up as fit.
Remove the abscess and surrounding tissue /shoulder if you feel it’s necessary and the carcass is fine.
Industry standard procedure is:
Single abscess site, with no other lymph nodes affected or other ills - the carcass is fit. It’s a localised infection, else it would show up elsewhere.
It’s just an abscess guys, stop making a big deal of it. VSS is absolutely correct, he’s not being flippant.
We’ve all eaten meat from an animal that had an abscess somewhere on it, believe me. It’s just been removed and stamped up as fit.
Remove the abscess and surrounding tissue /shoulder if you feel it’s necessary and the carcass is fine.
I feel it should be up to the individual to make the call as he/she will have read both sides of the discussion,
Things stand out.
1 He was concerned enough to post the question (nothing wrong in that)
2 Same concern about passing it on to the land owner
3 There are/will be many other muntjac in the area as they are not hens teeth so plenty of chances for the next one.
4 If then money is coming into this as stamping and passing fit as mentioned, muntjac are making 50p per KG and will need to be head shot to make at best £4.50/£5.00
As we know this things are mainly found post skinning, I am in Rigbys in the morning (fallow buck) so if the intake lads have time I will get their opinion on it.
A large Bullock worth xxxx £ then yes, a £5.00 muntjac well the £ will tell the story.
Back in the day we caught large numbers of rabbits and many went to the butchers, any that had worm sacks external/internal we not cut out they would be used for ferret food not for the butchers. I learnt that 50 years ago and still stick to those values.
CookM
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Opinions on this roe doe,eat,marry,or avoid,caught by an elderly cocker on saturday on the shoot.
It could not sprint.
Humane despatch as was distressed.
One gun said "Oh good,venison"
I said "lf you want to cut it up"
It had severe green squits.
Not going in my freezer.
Saddle was thin.
It could not sprint.
Humane despatch as was distressed.
One gun said "Oh good,venison"
I said "lf you want to cut it up"
It had severe green squits.
Not going in my freezer.
Saddle was thin.
CookM
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No nearest OSR is 3 miles away on my home patch.
My question is not cause,more would you process it.
I wouldn't,as have healthy ones with no abnormalities observed to go at.
OSR is of interest,as not grown before where l stalk.
Although,when the farmers started growing it in the '80s in my home patch of Hants,all l remember is a pigeon bounty when it was snowy.
Great times.
CookM
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Right answer .
I removed for disposal.
On one of our boundary farms,a widow.
Not to be left.
We have to be sensible.
For me the biggest factor is "duty of care" there are enough chances of people getting sick in the winter months with people coming around with streaming colds passing on the sickness bug without giving it a second thought!
There are thousands of deer to be shot each year and put in the food chain so the drama over 1 muntjac
People will eat a "pink steak" try putting a piece of chicken breast on the plate shown the few seconds the steak had!
This illustrates my point in post 27 well.
The roe apparently couldn't run, was thin across the saddle, had diahorrea and anyone notice the 2 swollen knee joints, indicating arthritis?
That's 4 pointers towards ill health and if it was examined further internally, could well be one for the bin as suggested.
However the OP had just 1 abscess in his muntjac, nothing else, so fine to put into the food chain
Hi all
Thanks for all the advice. Still just under 100 deer since I started stalking and I am learning every day so I appreciate all the feedback.
End of the day I disposed of that one. If it had been just me, I might have got rid of that shoulder and kept the rest but I just didn’t want to risk it with the landowner. Their health plus the benefit of a permission less than 400 yds from my house isn’t worth it.
Got another younger buck this morning. Yet to skin it but everything looked healthy
Thanks for all the advice. Still just under 100 deer since I started stalking and I am learning every day so I appreciate all the feedback.
End of the day I disposed of that one. If it had been just me, I might have got rid of that shoulder and kept the rest but I just didn’t want to risk it with the landowner. Their health plus the benefit of a permission less than 400 yds from my house isn’t worth it.
Got another younger buck this morning. Yet to skin it but everything looked healthy
Hi all
Thanks for all the advice. Still just under 100 deer since I started stalking and I am learning every day so I appreciate all the feedback.
End of the day I disposed of that one. If it had been just me, I might have got rid of that shoulder and kept the rest but I just didn’t want to risk it with the landowner. Their health plus the benefit of a permission less than 400 yds from my house isn’t worth it.
Got another younger buck this morning. Yet to skin it but everything looked healthy
Good call, For the new Stalkers....
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