Potential lead ban?

[enfieldspares]

With regret I renewed with SACS in December 2019 so am outside the fourteen day "second thoughts" allowed time limit. But I sure as heck won't be renewing come December 2020.

 

[Donnachaidh]

I bet LACS, Wild Justice etc. are rubbing their hands with glee when they read how many people will be resigning from pro-shooting organisations.

 

[Roestalker39]

I bet LACS, Wild Justice etc. are rubbing their hands with glee when they read how many people will be resigning from pro-shooting organisations.

Why ? It’s not like they posed a threat to lacs etc anyway ?

 

[Orion]

I bet LACS, Wild Justice etc. are rubbing their hands with glee when they read how many people will be resigning from pro-shooting organisations.

LACS have their hands full with internal larceny scandals and employment tribunals, not to mention being exposed as investing in firms that use animal testing!

Just like the RSPCA they may find their traditional subscribers are questioning where their money is going.

 

[25 Sharps]

I’ll have a look at that before SACS renewal around May time. I’ll stay with the CA for the time being as they’re quite proactive on other rural issues that directly affect me.

Countryside Alliance?

 

[25 Sharps]

I bet LACS, Wild Justice etc. are rubbing their hands with glee when they read how many people will be resigning from pro-shooting organisations.

Most people will remain a member of some organisation for the only reason they are currently a member, for the insurance.

I will be joining the CPSA to keep insurance cover and because they are not supporting this nonsense and it is clear that the major groups are not interested in consulting with their members before taking decisions that effect them. Hopefully others will do the same

 

[25 Sharps]

With regret I renewed with SACS in December 2019 so am outside the fourteen day "second thoughts" allowed time limit. But I sure as heck won't be renewing come December 2020.

surely if you want to make the point that they don’t represent you then cancelling now would make more of a point. I have 9 months to go with BASC but I’ll be cancelling shortly and telling them why

 

[enfieldspares]

Ah..but SACS don't refund. I've paid the lot up front. If it were via direct debit then, yes, I certainly would.

 

[25 Sharps]

Ah..but SACS don't refund. I've paid the lot up front. If it were via direct debit then, yes, I certainly would.

I don’t, or didn’t think I’d be getting a refund from the BASC

 

[Redleg]

Doing the rounds on Social media at the moment is that the BASC have been heavily funding the BGA.Hence the quick about turn regarding lead.
It was only 2 weeks ago they were still campaigning to keep lead and were not for changing unless new scientific evidence said otherwise.
I have repeatedly requested this new evidence , but at the moment all I'm getting is tumble weed.
It all makes sense now with the BGA connection and the funding they stand to lose, if they cant market game because it contains lead.
Not sure how true this is . I have asked BASC for comment but the silence is deafening.

 

[B&W FOX]

Shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting

Nine shooting and rural organisations have today announced they want an end to the use of lead and single-use plastics in shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting within five years. The British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC), British Game Alliance (BGA), Countryside...

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

I think the above posted by BASC in "off topic" needs linking to the discussion's with-in this thread

 

[User00025]

In all honesty, I think the game shooting fraternity should be looking at a voluntary ban on the release and subsequent shooting of all game birds within the next five years. Despite the evidence that game meat is sustainable and the allied activities benefit many other species, the general public is largely against the wholesale release of thousands of reared, non-native birds into the environment every year simply to be shot for sport. We don't need them for food and chickens are much more cost-effective to raise anyway.

Whereas pigeon, rabbit and crow shooting can still hold the moral high ground, providing a valuable and free service to the farming community and the country as a whole (think of the cost of publicly funded pest species control), the game shooting industries can make no such claims. The tide of public opinion is marching inexorably onwards toward this outcome and, despite best efforts, it is clear that game shooting has been painted into a corner of sustainability and credibility.

It is with this in mind that I propose that all organisations get behind my suggested capitulation, despite any evidence to the contrary, and adopt this wholesale, voluntary, moratorium on game shooting as soon as possible. It is clear that this is the logical next step. We can kiss goodbye to the controversial muirburn policies, the tarring by association by unscrupulous gamekeepers and the accusations of raptor persecution. This would leave the rest of us in a much better place, those that simply shoot species such as deer, fox, rabbit, pigeon and crow for pest or species control without the fear of having the mud thrown at us for our legal, necessary activities, or the clay and target shooting communities whose activities take place in controlled and defined areas that do not affect SSSI's or any other sensitive area.

Whose with me? BASC? CA? NGO? Anybody?

I wouldn't think the NGO as you would be making most of their members redundant and causing family hardships. It would also p me off a tad.☻

 

[Mick Miller]

I wouldn't think the NGO as you would be making most of their members redundant and causing family hardships. It would also p me off a tad.☻

It was a tad tongue in cheek. Meant to highlight the futility of banning stuff as an appeasement and using weak arguments to justify the stance.

 

[EssBee]

Without trying to be flippant, yes, I think that is silly. The amount of lead ingested by people who eat a lot of shot game was shown to be inconsequential. A study in Scandinavia showed lead levels in such people to be slightly raised above those normally found in the population, but even that level fell well below what is considered harmful.
As for damaging the environment. How? Bearing in mind the amount of lead getting chucked around our countryside every day, why aren't we hearing from the water companies about elevated levels of lead in water. Why aren't farmers experiencing crop failure, and why aren't the Food Standards Agency complaining of lead contaminated peas and rape seed?
I'm firmly of the opinion that this is not an environmental issue. It is an anti shooting measure in an environmental disguise.

you are quite right Harrymac. The Food Safety Act already has a section permitting the appropriate mionioster to prohibit any foodstuff where there is reason to believe it is hazardous - remember the beef on the bone and spinal tissue ban!
The precautionary principle also requires evidence of a hazard - has this been produced? No!
Its a great shame that our shooting organisation have not involved cartridge manufacturers in their decision - this is very apparent in the recent edict from BASC and lead shot ban.

 

[Greenmist]

Joint statement by the Directors of the UK's leading shotgun cartridge manufacturers

Based in the United Kingdom, Gamebore produces high quality, high performance shotgun cartridges for a worldwide market - including specialist loads for grouse and pheasant, wildfowling and also for competitive clay pigeon shooting.

gamebore.com

 

[Greenmist]

With regards to the above statement, I wonder how much advertising revenue BASC/NGO have just lost

 

[Mick Miller]

Hopefully enough to put them out of business.

 

[enfieldspares]

Indeed and, before the price of stamps goes up, we should write to those who advertise in the BASC magazine that we've decided in a voluntary ban on buying their products.

 

[Mick Miller]

And as if we (who are not enthralled/blind) couldn't have seen it coming...
Shooting lobby admits to lying

Dusty old men, with dusty old views, making dusty decisions in a pathetically desperate attempt to preserve the indefensible.

 

[enfieldspares]

On a lighter note a friend 'phoned me this morning and asked "Did I want to see the new Bond film?"

"No time to die?" I replied.

"Oh, OK. How about tomorrow then?"