Potential lead ban?

[Redleg]

Seeing as tungsten is used as an armour penetrator, I think it might be a tad hard.

Plus it's also radioactive.

 

[kes]

Best alternative is, give or take £2.23 per cartridge for 1000 purchased.

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I am sure the 25 rate will be equally accomodating

£ Bismuth - Bismuth Cartridges - Non Toxic Bismuth Shotgun Cartridges

Suppliers may vary but for contrast lead is 1/10th the cost so we obviously need to phase it out since profit margins simply arent good enough Home - Just Cartridges

 

[enfieldspares]

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[Gameking]

Best alternative is, give or take £2.23 per cartridge for 1000 purchased.

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I am sure the 25 rate will be equally accomodating

£ Bismuth - Bismuth Cartridges - Non Toxic Bismuth Shotgun Cartridges

Suppliers may vary but for contrast lead is 1/10th the cost so we obviously need to phase it out since profit margins simply arent good enough Home - Just Cartridges

£2227 / 1000 Very Welcoming BASC , just the ticket for the average wage

 

[Mick Miller]

£2227 / 1000 Very Welcoming BASC , just the ticket for the average wage

Just sell the spare Maserati. What? You don't own one already? May I suggest the competition on page 3 of this quarters edition?

 

[CarlW]

£2227 / 1000 Very Welcoming BASC , just the ticket for the average wage

How dare they!

 

[Apthorpe]

Tungsten matrix shot is, as I understand it, essentially plastic pellets with tungsten in. I'm uncertain that spreading thousands of plastic pellets full of a heavy metal around the countryside will be seen as green for long.
Someone above stated that tungsten is radioactive, which is news to me.
Bismuth is technically radioactive, although the level of activity is negligibly low. Bismuth is however, really quite rare and the world supply is very limited and significantly dependent on lead mining, which of course would be decreasing....

 

[Fishpond]

Tungsten matrix shot is, as I understand it, essentially plastic pellets with tungsten in. I'm uncertain that spreading thousands of plastic pellets full of a heavy metal around the countryside will be seen as green for long.
Someone above stated that tungsten is radioactive, which is news to me.
Bismuth is technically radioactive, although the level of activity is negligibly low. Bismuth is however, really quite rare and the world supply is very limited and significantly dependent on lead mining, which of course would be decreasing....

Tungsten isnt radioactive in its usual form - maybe some confusion with depleted uranium which was used by the military in AP rounds due to its density which is higher than tungsten. Tungsten is also used for military munitions for same reason.

Strangely BASC are keen to point out steel is as effective as lead despite being of lower density whilst our american friends are hugely excited about tungsten because it is better than lead and steel due to the much higher density so someone is being economical with the truth

Steel 8g/cc
Lead 11g/cc
Tungsten 18g/cc
Depleted uranium 19/cc

Latter has the advantage your goose maybe be dead and also cooked!!

Dry powder

Richard

 

[Apthorpe]

Tungsten isnt radioactive in its usual form - maybe some confusion with depleted uranium which was used by the military in AP rounds due to its density which is higher than tungsten. Tungsten is also used for military munitions for same reason.

Strangely BASC are keen to point out steel is as effective as lead despite being of lower density whilst our american friends are hugely excited about tungsten because it is better than lead and steel due to the much higher density so someone is being economical with the truth

Steel 8g/cc
Lead 11g/cc
Tungsten 18g/cc
Depleted uranium 19/cc

Latter has the advantage your goose maybe be dead and also cooked!!

Dry powder

Richard

BASC's publications on the suitability of steel are highly suspect in my eyes. I read further on this and found an ECHA paper stating that a study, which may very well be the same study BASC used to support it's claim that steel is safe in normal and traditional guns, managed to ruin all three of the guns they tested with realistic game load steel cartridges in under 50 rounds each.
Until either the consensus of expert gunsmiths or catridge manufacturers changes, then I'm stuck with lead.

 

[Odders]

Plus it's also radioactive.

No it isn't. Thoriated tungsten used in tig welding electrodes is but only because of the thorium.

Are you thinking of the depleted uranium penetrators used as a more effective on than those made from tungsten?

 

[Odders]

At this rate, silver might be a goer. It's almost as dense as lead, currently down around £16/oz, so easily affordable to BASC committee members...

 

[CarlW]

Tungsten isnt radioactive in its usual form - maybe some confusion with depleted uranium which was used by the military in AP rounds due to its density which is higher than tungsten. Tungsten is also used for military munitions for same reason.

Strangely BASC are keen to point out steel is as effective as lead despite being of lower density whilst our american friends are hugely excited about tungsten because it is better than lead and steel due to the much higher density so someone is being economical with the truth

Steel 8g/cc
Lead 11g/cc
Tungsten 18g/cc
Depleted uranium 19/cc

Latter has the advantage your goose maybe be dead and also cooked!!

Dry powder

Richard

And gold at 19.3, or would that be gilding the...?

 

[Apthorpe]

And gold at 19.3, or would that be gilding the...?

Well, you and @Odders are both circling around the elephant in the room where lead alternatives are concerned.
Which is that it is a scientific certainty that no material can exist which duplicates the ballistics of lead safely and in a remotely economic manner.
Silver probably is the best alternative. It has considerably more supply than bismuth, is not toxic, and has very similar density.
I may go away and patent lead matrix shot. Lead encapsulated in plastic to make it biologically inert and therefore non-toxic. Cheaper by far than bismuth and essentially what tungsten matrix is.

 

[User00014]

Luckily for me I don’t shoot shotguns anymore and have used non toxic rifle ammunition for over 10 years, so the lead ban when it comes will have very little affect on me and my shooting.

let’s face it, the lead ban is coming, it’s been on the cards for years and we can’t say we didn’t know it was coming!

Also we have to face facthat no organisation is going to stop it!

also to be honest I don’t think there is anything we as shooters can do about it!

we as shooters Sadly have to face facts and prepare for it and get on with it.

 

[CarlW]

Luckily for me I don’t shoot shotguns anymore and have used non toxic rifle ammunition for over 10 years, so the lead ban when it comes will have very little affect on me and my shooting.

let’s face it, the lead ban is coming, it’s been on the cards for years and we can’t say we didn’t know it was coming!

Also we have to face facthat no organisation is going to stop it!

also to be honest I don’t think there is anything we as shooters can do about it!

we as shooters Sadly have to face facts and prepare for it and get on with it.

You may well be right. However, I always figure that if I'm going to die, I'd rather do so with my empty brass scattered around my feet and the smell of burnt powder in my nostrils. Not whimpering, bent over some railings, with lubricant leaking down the backs of my legs...