Potential permission / potential vegan objection!

Back to the OP. She’s made a podcast about her life living off the land which covers her views on deer and how she’s come to terms with her decision. I’ll try to find the link for you - might be one to pass on to the land owner?
Hopefully, this should work 🤞

 
I would major on the line of deer MANAGEMENT, rather than pest control, or elimination (never mention the word 'sport'). Talk about how you select which deer to cull, and that each shot is a result of a definite management decision. It is as important to know when NOT to pull the trigger.... etc.
 
Thanks for all the replies, all very good points. As I suspected there is much to consider. At the end of the day as I am so new there is no rush & I certainly don’t want to upset anyone in the process. My friend said they would be more than happy for me to ‘practice’ up there, just with binos etc. to get better at finding & monitoring them away from public footpaths etc. so I think thats a win in itself at this point. Perhaps I could take a good camera & document anything I find, injured deer or tree/crop damage as you mentioned and see how we progress over time. Quite rightly said, at the end of the day its not my land.
Thanks for the advice all, much appreciated.
I think that's a good plan.
 
Thanks for all the replies, all very good points. As I suspected there is much to consider. At the end of the day as I am so new there is no rush & I certainly don’t want to upset anyone in the process. My friend said they would be more than happy for me to ‘practice’ up there, just with binos etc. to get better at finding & monitoring them away from public footpaths etc. so I think thats a win in itself at this point. Perhaps I could take a good camera & document anything I find, injured deer or tree/crop damage as you mentioned and see how we progress over time. Quite rightly said, at the end of the day its not my land.
Thanks for the advice all, much appreciated.
If your going to take picture only show them old, injured or ones actually doing some damage.
Don't show them ones of Bambi then try telling them you're doing it for the good of the deer.
 
There's definitely a growing number of vegans that recognize that certain wild animals need to be managed, I have a vegan friend that has no time for any invasive species. As also mentioned, once the bunnies start on the veggies or deer on the saplings minds can change very quickly. Good luck.
 
Explain it from an ethical point of view,focus on deer health and welfare, biodiversity etc. I believe there is a quite high profile vegan deer stalker, although I can't remember her name, she was covered in shooting times possibly. Using her as and example would do no harm to your cause
 
If they’re a ‘don’t eat meat because bunnies are cute’ type of vegan you are probably on a hiding to nothing. If their veganism is founded in beliefs about human health, environmental impact or concerns about how farmed meat is raised, you might be able to build a case around ideas that Hunted wild meat is more ethical and lower impact than farmed meat, and maybe that as a hunter you’re morally more morally consistent and have more integrity than people who just eat chicken nuggets. As I’ve posted elsewhere I have a brother in law who eats an almost exclusively vegan diet for the latter reasons, but is enthusiastic about the occasional bit of venison or high quality meat of known provenance.

There’s a lot to be said for listening and being sympathetic - if they’re particularly polarised and unused to dealing with people in field sports their assumption will be that you’re a bloodthirsty bigoted lunatic. Just showing you’re not (I assume) will go some way to shattering their expectations. Everyone likes to be listened to, taken seriously and be treated with respect.

Unless there is a pressing need for the deer to be managed though, you might find that this is all a bit of a long shot.

Aside from that, be diplomatic, don’t push too hard, (but don’t be too soft) deflect/turn rather than confront and all the usual ‘sales’ techniques for convincing people to agree with you.
This - have previously supplied venison steak to vegans who it turned out were only so because of treatment of domesticated farm animals. And generally vegetarians (once explained how culling works and how seriously welfare is taken) have had no more issue with me, Sometimes less so, than with meat eaters who blindly buy their packaged meat from the supermarket.
 
Explain it from an ethical point of view,focus on deer health and welfare, biodiversity etc. I believe there is a quite high profile vegan deer stalker, although I can't remember her name, she was covered in shooting times possibly. Using her as and example would do no harm to your cause
Katie Hagreaves? She was on Fieldsports channel doing some CWD stalking with Paul Childerley at one point.
 
I supply some ex-vegans/vegetarians with whole carcasses because they recognise the value of eating ethical meat. I have also spent 3 years talking to a family who had strong ethical reservations about culling fallow on a small parcel of land that they own (and do nothing with). By building a rapport over time and becoming the trusted friend and expert, I was able to then cull a lot of fallow to the immense satisfaction of the neighbouring farmers. It takes time, but reason and relationships can work.

However, not all deer need to be managed, or can be managed elsewhere. The risk is in a sanctuary developing, particularly with fallow. Smaller species have such localised effects, that they can normally be targeted elsewhere if necessary - failing whcih they are only harming the immediate landowners' property.
 
I notice some people use the word. Vegan and Vegetarian for people who is picky about which meat they eat. I’m picky too but defiantly nothing other than an omnivore.
This might help:
 

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I've had this situation. A family who were dead set against anything being killed on their land, despite the many protestations of their neighbours. Deer spiralled out of control because of inaction. By steadily sticking the course, demonstrating that you are interested in the deer's welfare above all things, and delivering on what I said I would do - they give me a free reign. One misstep though, and I'm sure it would be over and I can guarantee nobody else would get a look in.

For them, a decisive factor was that their children were ideologically against the idea. Once they left home, it became easier for them to get comfortable that something needed to be done. As per post 2, these are intelligent people not emotionally led individuals, for whom no matter of logic will work.
 
I used to shoot on a local farm to control the rabbit population,
the daughter was a vegan, I engaged with her about the 30 yds of field edge being lost next to the railway,
one evening we turned up to shoot a few, 20/25 per outing every week,
nothing out,
turns out she had had a local firm in to gas all the burrows,

prior to that I would drop most of the evenings bag with an old lad in the village who passed them round the old folk,

I still take them a few now, but only in the low numbers,
 
old post i know but a friend has just lost his deer management on 400 acres of land as a month ago, new home owners moved onto the land and they are anti everything ,shooting ,church bell 4x4 etc any way my friend was stalking the ground and the new home owner called the police and said he had threaten them with a fire arm ..... police contact land owner and he said did not want to upset new home owners so no more shooting on his land , just be 100% sure they wont turn on your your fac could be at risk
 
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