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I find a powder trickler a valuble piece of my reloading equipment, it makes load development much easier, i tried the teaspoon method and got very frustraited if you don't quite get it right,(To much or to little aaaaaaah)
I find a powder trickler a valuble piece of my reloading equipment, it makes load development much easier, i tried the teaspoon method and got very frustraited if you don't quite get it right,(To much or to little aaaaaaah)
trickler
Accuracy in shot placement is a product of hard work in load developement, & skills practiced regularly, why spoil any of it with guesswork or approximation?, If you don't get any satisfaction out of building your own ammunition, just buy factory, If boredom threatens, you have loaded enough rounds, tricklers are an indispensible item when accurizing thrown weights set on charge dispensers
Accuracy in shot placement is a product of hard work in load developement, & skills practiced regularly, why spoil any of it with guesswork or approximation?, If you don't get any satisfaction out of building your own ammunition, just buy factory, If boredom threatens, you have loaded enough rounds, tricklers are an indispensible item when accurizing thrown weights set on charge dispensers
JAYB
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Accuracy is undoubtedly improved due load development, and consistency in all matters related to reloading. However the most inconsistent part of the whole process of shot placement is the person pulling the trigger. Out stalking it is impossible to duplicate every shot in order to achieve the consistency of sitting at a bench.
Now loading to bench rest standards is an obvious and beneficial aid in a hunting situation. However I still maintain that having an inch group at 100 yards is satisfactory when hunting, the error induced by shooting from differing positions will not be sufficient to put you outside of the kill zone of your quarry. If it is then you need to practice a lot more before attempting to shoot any live quarry, because then even one hole accuracy from the most carefully loaded rounds will not make you a better shot.
I think that too many novices are put off of becoming reloaders because they feel that the best of kit and the tightest of groups is necessary. I doubt that the commercial ammunition that they normally use would fare any better than their "hunting" reloads. Start off by reaching your main objective, producing rounds that you can use to hunt deer with. Then there is nothing to stop you chasing tighter groups and better consistency and obtaining and using better kit. I know that when I first started reloading my very first rounds that I produced outperformed the factory loads. Now overtime I have acquired several loved and respected powder throwers, trickler etc and chased the teeny weeny groups via the consistency route. However as I only hunt with my reloads, and am secure in the knowledge that they are sub MOA and any bad shots are down to me and not the kit, I am content. I use Lee dippers for my reloading, now I don't consider this guesswork or approximating in relation to the amount of powder, and boredom I can assure you is not an issue with my reloading. What I do know is that by using a dipper I can throw load after load that is consistent enough to make no difference, the variation in MV and ES when measured over a chrony is nothing to cause concern, so I am happy. Then I can go and practice using these reloads because trigger time is the most efficient aid to shot placement that I know.
John
Now loading to bench rest standards is an obvious and beneficial aid in a hunting situation. However I still maintain that having an inch group at 100 yards is satisfactory when hunting, the error induced by shooting from differing positions will not be sufficient to put you outside of the kill zone of your quarry. If it is then you need to practice a lot more before attempting to shoot any live quarry, because then even one hole accuracy from the most carefully loaded rounds will not make you a better shot.
I think that too many novices are put off of becoming reloaders because they feel that the best of kit and the tightest of groups is necessary. I doubt that the commercial ammunition that they normally use would fare any better than their "hunting" reloads. Start off by reaching your main objective, producing rounds that you can use to hunt deer with. Then there is nothing to stop you chasing tighter groups and better consistency and obtaining and using better kit. I know that when I first started reloading my very first rounds that I produced outperformed the factory loads. Now overtime I have acquired several loved and respected powder throwers, trickler etc and chased the teeny weeny groups via the consistency route. However as I only hunt with my reloads, and am secure in the knowledge that they are sub MOA and any bad shots are down to me and not the kit, I am content. I use Lee dippers for my reloading, now I don't consider this guesswork or approximating in relation to the amount of powder, and boredom I can assure you is not an issue with my reloading. What I do know is that by using a dipper I can throw load after load that is consistent enough to make no difference, the variation in MV and ES when measured over a chrony is nothing to cause concern, so I am happy. Then I can go and practice using these reloads because trigger time is the most efficient aid to shot placement that I know.
John
tricklers
Hi John, My post was not an attempt to devalue others posts, or meant to dissuade the new reloader from trying his/her hand, but more a cautionary note, as you are a reloader yourself you would be aware that a dipper, (I use them ) can be loaded to differing states just by pressures applied in use, and just looking at a dipper load in the pan isn't enough, used in conjunction with an electronic scale or balance beam, the trickler will enhance accuracy in charge weights & therefore also safety, these tools are themselves not foolproof, & waiting for things to settle is an important part of reloading, some electronic scales can give different readings/values at different air temperatures & battery states. Steve.
Hi John, My post was not an attempt to devalue others posts, or meant to dissuade the new reloader from trying his/her hand, but more a cautionary note, as you are a reloader yourself you would be aware that a dipper, (I use them ) can be loaded to differing states just by pressures applied in use, and just looking at a dipper load in the pan isn't enough, used in conjunction with an electronic scale or balance beam, the trickler will enhance accuracy in charge weights & therefore also safety, these tools are themselves not foolproof, & waiting for things to settle is an important part of reloading, some electronic scales can give different readings/values at different air temperatures & battery states. Steve.
EMcC
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Basil,
If you want a powder trickler I will look for the one I have, that I don't use, and if you pm me your address I will send it to you.
You can then feel safe in the knowledge that you are now, or will be, a member of the 'Powder Trickler's Association'.
For many years I had no access to scales, tricklers or Chrono's all I used was a powder dipper, some folk I knew used home made powder dippers out of shell cases.
As far as I can remember no one suffered a blow up/out or near miss and all got on with the job of shooting Deer.
The 'Lee loader' works on the same principle and was used, probably still is, all over the world.
If you want a powder trickler I will look for the one I have, that I don't use, and if you pm me your address I will send it to you.
You can then feel safe in the knowledge that you are now, or will be, a member of the 'Powder Trickler's Association'.
For many years I had no access to scales, tricklers or Chrono's all I used was a powder dipper, some folk I knew used home made powder dippers out of shell cases.
As far as I can remember no one suffered a blow up/out or near miss and all got on with the job of shooting Deer.
The 'Lee loader' works on the same principle and was used, probably still is, all over the world.
tricklers
When the smoke clears it might be possible to see the nitro stuff!EMcC said:
EMcC
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I started out with black powder.
I had a single barrel 12 bore muzzle loader made by William Adkin of Bungay.
Quite a few 'home guard' balls went through that shotgun for fun.
Then when I left school I could afford a real gun, double 12 bore, most were a bit old and belgian.
Cartridges were still quite expensive at around 11/6d a box so the black powder came in handy to save a few bob.
Those were the days when you could go on most farms just because you knew the farmer, his son or one of the workers.
I had a single barrel 12 bore muzzle loader made by William Adkin of Bungay.
Quite a few 'home guard' balls went through that shotgun for fun.
Then when I left school I could afford a real gun, double 12 bore, most were a bit old and belgian.
Cartridges were still quite expensive at around 11/6d a box so the black powder came in handy to save a few bob.
Those were the days when you could go on most farms just because you knew the farmer, his son or one of the workers.
tricklers
11/6?, could you translate as some of the viewers are not of our age group!!
11/6?, could you translate as some of the viewers are not of our age group!!
powder trickler
AAHH!, I remember it well, halfway through my first years apprenticeship, They changed the money! Wage packet contained £4.93 take home
AAHH!, I remember it well, halfway through my first years apprenticeship, They changed the money! Wage packet contained £4.93 take home
I am a huge believer in volumetric powder measuring. Manufactures do it. Bench rest shooters do it. It works. I have often said that with most powders, used in a sane capacity, a half a grain one way or the other is of no consequence unless you have attended to a lot of other details that will allow you to notice the difference; and you have a rifle capable of exhibiting the difference on paper.
All the the patient reloading and load development you can muster will surely shave a 1/4 minute off of group size but if you've got an 8 minute weave shooting off hand, you're not spending your time wisely. Better to live with the accuracy you have and spend more time out with a good .22 shooting off hand targets. It will serve you better than the most precision reloading equipment loading the finest components for the most expensive rifle. JMHO.~Muir
PS: Can you tell I just got in from an off hand practice session??
All the the patient reloading and load development you can muster will surely shave a 1/4 minute off of group size but if you've got an 8 minute weave shooting off hand, you're not spending your time wisely. Better to live with the accuracy you have and spend more time out with a good .22 shooting off hand targets. It will serve you better than the most precision reloading equipment loading the finest components for the most expensive rifle. JMHO.~Muir
PS: Can you tell I just got in from an off hand practice session??
I failed to master trickling powder from a teaspoon, so have used a trickler for years, originally a lyman now after a deal a RCBS a far better bit of kit.
They make life easier, you can manage without out, and when in a rhythm the uniflow measure is very consistent. Do I need to weigh every charge, probably not, but if I am shooting at a deer I want to know I have done everything possible to produce the best ammunition – that confidence is probably worth more than any gain in group size I am getting.
They make life easier, you can manage without out, and when in a rhythm the uniflow measure is very consistent. Do I need to weigh every charge, probably not, but if I am shooting at a deer I want to know I have done everything possible to produce the best ammunition – that confidence is probably worth more than any gain in group size I am getting.
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