So been using PPU soft points for a few years now and everything has seemed fine with the accuracy and expansion. A few months back I bought some more and the packaging has changed. Checked zero with the newer style and all was good. Was shooting yesterday down Norfolk and 3 out of 4 shots and the bullets have done some strange things within the carcass. Entry points all good but the bullets have literally rattled through the body. One up through the spine, one absolutely blew the shoulder to a million bits on the other side of the deer and the final one turned 90 degrees blew the guts to bits and hit the knee on the way out. Thinking about the last 2 roe I’ve had with the new style have also both suffered more than normal damage. So time to go back to the drawing board for bullet selection and a bit of a warning to others.
PPU doing some strange things
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Bavarianbrit
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More info is needed weight calibre etc.
Foxyboy43
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PPU is well known as the Marmite Round - either your rifle loves them or your rifle hates them/you swear by them or you swear at them…..
In my circle of shooting pals opinions/experiences vary from fantastic to quite dreadful but like many things in life you get what you pay for so accept that cost-wise they are at the lower end and don’t be disappointed if you encounter some accuracy or in this case performance issues.
In my own case and (posted before) in extremis this was my first experience with said PPU at 10 yards (yep 10!) though to be fair it was with an M44 Mosin Nagant which had been counter-bored. However a change to S&B and some later home load development utterly transformed performance.
I would suggest that in light of your experiences and concerns about what you believe is unnecessary meat loss you change to a premium bullet for your deer shooting - depending on how many deer you actually shoot the difference in cost set against meat loss, not to mention your angst is minimal.
Good luck.
In my circle of shooting pals opinions/experiences vary from fantastic to quite dreadful but like many things in life you get what you pay for so accept that cost-wise they are at the lower end and don’t be disappointed if you encounter some accuracy or in this case performance issues.
In my own case and (posted before) in extremis this was my first experience with said PPU at 10 yards (yep 10!) though to be fair it was with an M44 Mosin Nagant which had been counter-bored. However a change to S&B and some later home load development utterly transformed performance.
I would suggest that in light of your experiences and concerns about what you believe is unnecessary meat loss you change to a premium bullet for your deer shooting - depending on how many deer you actually shoot the difference in cost set against meat loss, not to mention your angst is minimal.
Good luck.
HonestJohn
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They will be tumbling and keyholeing. Stop immediately and do not use on living game again.
Purchase different and better quality ammunition, possibly sub 100g if your rifle cannot stabilise.
Purchase different and better quality ammunition, possibly sub 100g if your rifle cannot stabilise.
You’d probably find that if they were tumbling your animals would have walked away unharmed!
I wonder if they’ve reduced the bullet jacket thickness to save on material costs due to the price copper increasing by 100% over the past year or two?… this may explain the more erratic behaviour as the rate of expansion would increase and the bullet is likely to break up in a less controlled manner.
I wonder if they’ve reduced the bullet jacket thickness to save on material costs due to the price copper increasing by 100% over the past year or two?… this may explain the more erratic behaviour as the rate of expansion would increase and the bullet is likely to break up in a less controlled manner.
Smellydog
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I tried some ppu in 30-30 once and a case split from end to end. Accuracy was mediocre.
Their 30-30bullet is quite accurate but I have not tried them on deer yet.
Their 357 ammo was quite good.
If it works out good get a few in stock
When that stock runs out cautiously test a sample before committing again.
Shoot one or two into sand. If you can find a nugget with some shank still intact your in with a chance.
Their 30-30bullet is quite accurate but I have not tried them on deer yet.
Their 357 ammo was quite good.
If it works out good get a few in stock
When that stock runs out cautiously test a sample before committing again.
Shoot one or two into sand. If you can find a nugget with some shank still intact your in with a chance.
It may well be the rifle of course , the bore could be worn or corroded? But yeah could be a bad batch of ammo . both impossible to diagnose without further testing
Smellydog
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I once had a Remington 243 that turned Hornady 100gn bullets into varmint grenades.
I sold the piece of junk and bought a Weatherby vanguard. The same bullet suddenly behaved exactly how it should of.
The Remington's rifling was to deep for the jacket. It had a terrible rough barrel from new. Accurate enough but after nearly cutting a couple of roe in half it had to go so yeah if a bad combination comes together it can go tits up. Same bullet in a different rifle could be fine.
I sold the piece of junk and bought a Weatherby vanguard. The same bullet suddenly behaved exactly how it should of.
The Remington's rifling was to deep for the jacket. It had a terrible rough barrel from new. Accurate enough but after nearly cutting a couple of roe in half it had to go so yeah if a bad combination comes together it can go tits up. Same bullet in a different rifle could be fine.
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